Battlestar Galactica:Season 2; Part 4 NSCR/8.5.05

[Storm Raven]

I don't think the Cylons are pulling their punches: when the toaster models boarded the ship and headed for control of life support, do you think it was just a feint? I think they would have been happy to wipe the ship "clean."

How many toasters did they put on board? Not many. If they'd wanted to wipe the ship clean, I would think they would have sent a bigger boarding party.

There's little doubt, though, that the humans are being manipulated. Differing factions certainly makes sense.

My assumption about at least some of the Cylons' goals: get the fleet to lead them to Earth, so that the Cylons can wipe out every single human in the galaxy. Since Earth is a human thing, they are likely assuming that they'll need actual humans to lead them there.

That doesn't seem to be the goal. So far as we have seen the cylons discuss their goals, they seem to have a much murkier plan than "wipe out the humans". Just look at the conversations between the cylon models on Caprica, for example. Let alone the tidbits revealed by the air-lock cylon. (I'm not going to get into the Baltar-Six conversations, because those may simply be a delusion of Baltar's).

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

If Boomer is a cylon, why did she shoot Adama?

The bigger question, I think, is why did she fail to kill him?

If either of the Adama's are Cylons, I would think it's the younger Adama, if for no other reason than we've seen Adama Sr. age (in flashbacks). It's yet to be determined if the anthroform Cylons age or not.

And I think it's 12 models, total. Not twelve human models.

 

[The_Universe]

Well, if that's the case:

1) Centurions
2) Raiders
3) The "Shuttle" model
4) Base Stars
5) "Boomer" style
6) "Six" style
7) "Leoban" style
8) "Suicide bomber/political advisor" style

I think that's the only ones we know of - that still leaves 4 unknown models, and means that there are at least some doubles if there are actually 8 existing cylon agents in the fleet.

 

[Fast Learner]

In the mini-series, Six points out that there are still some of the older toaster (original BSG chromed) models left, too, that "they have their uses." So that would be one more, potentially.

Yet for further plot development by the writers over many seasons, my guess is that they meant (or will have meant) 12 human-like models.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

Roslin may believe she is the prophet, but every indication given about her on the show thus far indicated that she is also a big believer in the Articles of Confederation. As a result, she seems to be willing to listen to the Quorum of Twelve, and is prepared to hold elections when her term is up, and accept the results even if she loses. I think that is the big difference between her and Adama - he seems to have very autocratic tendencies, I doubt that he would support general elections that might result in a "wrong" decisions any time soon.

I think that's why I tend to side with Roslin - the elected leader is almost always preferable to the self-appointed dictator.

But we do not know if she would actually accept losing in the election,as we have heard little of it since she has come to the conclusion that she is the prophet. Perhaps now she is only willing because she believes that her winning is also preordained. Wouldn't it be interesting if she lost the election, but tried to maintain her leadership by means of her "spiritual" status. As for listening to the Quorum, again, so far indications are that a significant portion of the Quorum will go along with her simply because they beleive she is the prophet.

I could see at some point Baltar and Zareck finding common cause against the President.

 

[Storm Raven]

But we do not know if she would actually accept losing in the election,as we have heard little of it since she has come to the conclusion that she is the prophet.

Perhaps, but that assumes facts not in evidence. The only information we have about Roslin's views on this is that she planned to hold elections when the time came, and would accept victory or defeat at the polls (I say "planned", because this was before the whole martial law thing cropped up).

Perhaps now she is only willing because she believes that her winning is also preordained. Wouldn't it be interesting if she lost the election, but tried to maintain her leadership by means of her "spiritual" status.

Perhaps she would, but once again, we don't have anything that would support this. Yet. (Later we might, but not yet).

As for listening to the Quorum, again, so far indications are that a significant portion of the Quorum will go along with her simply because they beleive she is the prophet.

But isn't that up to the Quorum to decide? They are elected representatives after all, if their faith in Roslin is misplaced, or not shared by their constituents, then they would suffer at the polls when their reelection came up.

I could see at some point Baltar and Zareck finding common cause against the President.

I could too. But I see them drawing up on opposite sides. Zarek is sort of the anti-Baltar in a way. Zarek is clearly violently opposed to military rule, and was willing to go to jail for years in support of his beliefs. Baltar is a weasel, who is willing to go along with whoever has power, so long as his skin and comfort are assured.

 

[Wolf72]

Articles of Confederation or Colonization???

I hope Tigh's wife gets the boot ... if she doesn't, I hope he grows some sort of back bone.

 

[TanisFrey]

The Base Star in the original was just a ship with a fuction like Galatica. And Based on what they have shown I would think that the Base Star, in this series, is also a ship, a base for raiders. So 8 Models shown and 1 more mentioned, altho in the past the Raider vivaiblety as a model was question. See the thread about last season finialy in addition to what has been mentioned in this tread.

In the old series the Cyclons setteled on the idea of following and harrsing the Fleet to keep in on the move to Earth so that ALL HUMANS can be wiped out. In this series that seams to be to as least 2 factions of cyclon, kill all humans and the mate with human factions. It looks like the 2 sides have agreeded to follow the humans to Earth at least. From there whom knows?

Adama/Roslin split prediction:
I will predict that the fleet will physical split with the faction following Roslin going to Kobol by the end of the next epsoid. She will leave in an attempt to prevent fighting between civ/mil factions. Galatica and the remaindor of the fleet will follow after is becomes apparent that the fleet needs to be whole to survive. Just as things get tense over Kobol, Starbuck with the arrow shows up. A joint mission to the ruins of Kobol is agreed to by Roslin and Adama, AKA the Lost Planet of the Gods epsoid remake. End of conflick but not the dispute between Adama and Roslin.

And I have nothing to do with the production, this is just a guess.

-Tanisfrey

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

She will leave in an attempt to prevent fighting between civ/mil factions. Galatica and the remaindor of the fleet will follow after is becomes apparent that the fleet needs to be whole to survive.

Now, Roslin has made some bad decisions...but I don't think she's stupid enough to run off with civilians without any kind of defense.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I think TanisFrey could be right about Roslin. She mayfigure that Adama will follow as he needs the fleet as much as they need him. It will be a game of chicken, though.

As for Starbuck, I predict that she remains on Caprica for the rest of this portion of the season. The whole finding other survivors/guerrilla action/stealing a ship seems ripe for stretching out over quite a few episodes. She'll manage to get a ship to get off Caprica, but the half-season ending cliffhanger will be if she succeeds in getting back to the fleet. This will necessitate a serval episode period around Kobol since Starbuck won't know where to meet up with the fleet if they take off for other parts.