D&D (2024) Bladesinger, is it Green, Yellow, or Red?

[R_J_K75]

They changed the survey. Instead of doing 1-5.

And yes.

Thanks, I was a little confused, made me think of a traffic signal

 

[D-03-109 MeltingLove]

Because spell slots aren't unlimited? Also it's 2 attacks, one of which is better than a regular attack.

Why should the guy without fireball attack for less damage?

2d8+1d6+10(22.5) is totally the number bladesinger attacks deals in 5th level, one attack and a cantrip(True Strike if asked).
It's not bad when I'm run out of my slots, but, hey, Are we talking about a subclass that can only played when you can't play the class? That... is an even paradox-er thing. The reason I say this is because BS is a better wizard with extremely high ac and unfailable concentration saves bonus, they bad at melee since the new ver... the new rulebooks use masteries for martials instead of -5+10, which it's totally what BS need.
In the fact, if the Bladesinger can use their bonus action to attack(or active and attack in a BA) just like War Domain when level5, it canbe much better(btw war domain get lots of improvement that real change the play in good way)

 

[D-03-109 MeltingLove]

Ah, I messed up. I forgot to plus mod twice in total damage calculation.
The staff who see my survey must laugh at these.

 

[Blue]

If you want to actually go back to the beginning of their lure it had nothing to do with them knowing how to wear armor it was the fact that elven chain and Elvin plate had magical properties that allowed them to cast while wearing. That's why to me the easiest idea is to just make it as a magical item as opposed to giving it to the class. For all we know they might do just that in the book and add special Alvin armor so that people who want to play a blade dancer with Elvin armor can.

Can you provide a source for your claim, because from what I know you are incorrect. Bladesingers first came out in The Complete Book of Elves for AD&D 2nd, as a kit for fighter/magic-users. They were allowed to wear elven chain and up to studded leather.

Here's a quote from the AD&D 2nd Wiki:
"Bladesingers may wear no armor heavier than elven chain or studded leather. Bulkier armor restricts the Bladesingers' movement enough that they have at least a –2 penalty to attacks if they try to use their bladesinging ability while wearing such armor. The penalty is greater for heavier armor, although this is at the DM's discretion."

 

[ECMO3]

In the fact, if the Bladesinger can use their bonus action to attack(or active and attack in a BA) just like War Domain when level5, it canbe much better(btw war domain get lots of improvement that real change the play in good way)

With feats a bladesinger can also use their Bonus action for Hex or Wrathful Smite, and use their own spells slot to fuel it. I expect most single-class, melee-oriented Bladesingers will pick up one of these two spells at level 4.

 

[ECMO3]

I get the feeling that your DM lets you have lots of rests.

None of your posts seem to even indicate awareness that slots or other uses-per-rest can be limited.

At 14th level (when you get this ability) they are not very limited. High level slots are, low level slots aren't. If you are using Song of Victory or Battle Magic with a Cantrip, you are not even using a spell slot on your turn at all, so you would have to use all your slots as a reaction or out of combat.

A 14th level Wizard has 17 slots, plus up to 7 she can get back with Arcane Recovery.

If you do the math, with one short rest even if you do 6 fights a day and each lasts 4 rounds; that is casting a leveled spell every single round of combat to use up all your spell slots.

24 rounds of combat with one short rest is on the high end, not the low end I think, but that is what you would need to burn through their spell slots using one every round and that is before you add spells you can cast from any feats, species abilities, scrolls or other items.

 

[WanderingMystic]

Can you provide a source for your claim, because from what I know you are incorrect. Bladesingers first came out in The Complete Book of Elves for AD&D 2nd, as a kit for fighter/magic-users. They were allowed to wear elven chain and up to studded leather.

Here's a quote from the AD&D 2nd Wiki:
"Bladesingers may wear no armor heavier than elven chain or studded leather. Bulkier armor restricts the Bladesingers' movement enough that they have at least a –2 penalty to attacks if they try to use their bladesinging ability while wearing such armor. The penalty is greater for heavier armor, although this is at the DM's discretion."

pg 62 2nd ed phb
Wizard: A multi-classed wizard can freely combine the powers of the wizard with any other class allowed, although the wearing of armor is restricted. Elves wearing elven chain can cast spells in armor, as magic is part of the nature of elves. However, elven chain is extremely rare and can never be purchased. It must be given, found, or won.

this is what i was remembering, however this was before the complete book of elves came out

Also in the 2nd ed dmg
Elven Chain Mail: This is magical armor so fine and light that it can be worn under normal clothing without revealing its presence. Its lightness and flexibility allow even bards and thieves to use it with few restrictions (see page 39 in the PHB ), Elven fighter/mages use it without restriction,

I guess since I remember elven chain from the dmg and the basic fighter/wizard elves I forgot that the bladesinger got special dispensation to wear leather and studded leather since in the games i had played in they always had elven chain.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

pg 62 2nd ed phb
Wizard: A multi-classed wizard can freely combine the powers of the wizard with any other class allowed, although the wearing of armor is restricted. Elves wearing elven chain can cast spells in armor, as magic is part of the nature of elves. However, elven chain is extremely rare and can never be purchased. It must be given, found, or won.

this is what i was remembering, however this was before the complete book of elves came out

Also in the 2nd ed dmg
Elven Chain Mail: This is magical armor so fine and light that it can be worn under normal clothing without revealing its presence. Its lightness and flexibility allow even bards and thieves to use it with few restrictions (see page 39 in the PHB ), Elven fighter/mages use it without restriction,

I guess since I remember elven chain from the dmg and the basic fighter/wizard elves I forgot that the bladesinger got special dispensation to wear leather and studded leather since in the games i had played in they always had elven chain.

Which says nothing about bladesingers, which were not invented at that point. And when they were, they were allowed to wear leather armor as well as elven chain.

 

[ECMO3]

If we are going back to the original rules, the 1E Elven Fighter/Magic-User could wear Plate Mail.

I believe the Basic Elves could too.

Elven Chain was something for Rogues mostly and Bards used regular Chain Mail.