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bow and crossbow ranges

Shadowdragon

Explorer
Does anyone happen to know the real-world effective ranges for the following bows and crossbows:

arbalest
heavy/military crossbow
light/hunting crossbow
english longbow
recurve bow
short/self bow

I don't need to know the true maximum ranges, just the range at which the weapon becomes so innacurate there's no way you can hit the target you're aiming at.
 

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HeavenShallBurn

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1.) arbalest= Historically a term for a rennaisance era crossbow using a metal as opposed to wooden stave. Are you talking about the siege engine the PHB calls a ballista and the romans called scorpions?
2.) heavy/military crossbow=Not the kind of crossbow you can pick up in a sporting goods store, but the special forces still use modern versions occasionally. They have a very heavy metal stave and use metal cable rather than typical bowstring with a draw of about five to six hundred pounds and a winch for drawing them, accurate to about 150-180 meters.
3.) light/hunting crossbow=Basically you can pick up more modern versions of these in most sporting goods stores. Not really accurate beyond about 60-90 meters depending on the wind but that's because they've lightened the bolt too much until its more like an arrow and wind affects it more.
4.) english longbow=WELSH WARBOW, the english just stole the idea when they realized it worked. Damned good bows for the time and purpose, accurate on single target to about 50-60meters and mass targets significantly farther as much as 300 meters in favorable wind conditions with heavy draws. Was not fired like most people figure, they were held diagonally when fired at about a 40 degree angle across the body. Once you get used to the posture and the difference in aiming it solves most of the problems with shooting such a long bow at short ranges and seems to improve yawing in crosswinds a bit.
5.) recurve bow=most bows you see today that aren't compound are recurves, they do a good job of packing more power into a shorter stave. Not really that accurate beyond about 50-60meters on point targets.
6.) short/self bow=roughly same size as recurve but without the extra curve, not as powerful for the length and run into the same limitations as all bows at about 50-60meters on point targets.
 

Shadowdragon

Explorer
By arbalest I mean the thing between a heavy crossbow and a ballista. Something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbalest

How different are modern crossbows compared to medieval crossbows? Is there any data on the effective ranges of medieval crossbows, or is it all based on modern equivalents?

So all bows have about a 50-60m effective range? Is it just the volley fire range (shooting at a mass of targets and hoping you hit someone rather then aiming for a specific target) that's different between bows?
 

HeavenShallBurn

First Post
1.) Arbalest- The wikpedia entry you found seems pretty accurate, I just never considered them a separate weapon. They were essentially just a military crossbow that used steel instead of wood in their prod to take advantage of the greater force it offered. And 500m sound about right for them.

2.) Medieval Crossbows actually had a greater range than the modern counterparts in most cases. The 150-180 meter figure for a heavy military crossbow would be about right for the lighter medieval crossbows. The heavier ones that were in widespread use by mercenaries of the period were accurate to somewhere around 250-300 meters. The difference is in two places. First, medieval crossbows were using much higher draw weights than you commonly see today. Second, the projectiles were different. A modern crossbow bolt looks almost identical to an arrow just shorter, medieval and rennaisance bolts were shorter but much thicker and heavier with a cross-section and density that allowed them to carry further before wind-drift and air currents spoiled aim.

3.) Against a target the size of a single man standing upright all bows are limited to about 50-60m, the very best archers in the world today say that under ideal conditions with an archer of the highest skill that can be pushed up to nearly 80 meters at times but nor reliably. The limitation is not in the bow it's in the projectile, arrows are designed in such a way that they are just too succeptible to drift. Once you don't have to be so precise and can fire at a massed target ranges begin to depend more on the bow. A self bow just doesn't have that much oomph to drive with and the force is exerted in the first part of the shot. A recurve can get more power but suffers from the same drawback because all the impetus is in the first part of the release. A longbow actually flexes much more in the release and drives all the way to the end of the release with significant force even in the tips.
 


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