overgeeked
B/X Known World
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D&D (2024) Can we have a discussion about the assumptions we make in terms of balance?
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Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
From WotC. If you limit yourself to what one company decides to publish, that's on you.
Tony Vargas
Legend
It'd be nice if other games were better-known, yes.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
It would, but you can't have everything. I proselytize for what I prefer every day. I know other people push their preferences too. Just imagine if everyone was more like me...
MuhVerisimilitude
Hero
Ehh crap. I accidentally pressed OK in the middle of a half written reply so I had to edit my original comment away to avoid people responding to something incomplete...
Argumentum ad populum.
And secondly: Check some fighter optimisation guides. Champion isn't high on those lists. You'll find Battlemaster and Echo Knight, though.
Champion is pretty much an empty subclass. It basically doesn't have class features.
Scribe
Legend
Fair, and yet?
- Misty step
- Sorcerer, warlock, wizard, circle of the land (coast), Paladin (oath of the ancients), Paladin (oath of vengance)
- Dimension Door
- Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard, Cleric (Trickery Domain), Paladin (oath of vengance)
- Fly
- Sorcerer, warlock, wizard, artificer
- Spider Climb
- Sorcerer, warlock, wizard, artificer, Druid circle of the land (forest), druid circle of the land(mountain, druid Circle of the land(underdark)
- Wall of force
- wizard, Paladin (oath of redemption), artificer (artillerist), artificer (armorer)
- Wall of stone
- Druid, sorcerer, wizard, artificer, druid(circle of the land desert), Druid (circle of the land mountain), sorcerer (genie)
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Scribe
Legend
And how many various species options for some of these things exist? Misty Step, and Fly, and I'm pretty sure Spider Climb are covered, at least.
Zubatcarteira
Now you're infected by the Musical Doodle
Imo, some things you can say are good or bad pretty much regardless of the game. The Champion subclass, for example, doesn't add all that much to the character, the increase in crit range isn't that big, and crits in 5e aren't too strong if you don't have a lot of dice to add, like a Paladin, Warlock, Rogue, or even a Barbarian later on.
Then there are things that depend on every game, like only healing when an ally is at 0 hp. Sometimes it'll be great, unless the DM attacks unconscious characters, then it's suicide. A lot of assumptions also rely on the stats of official monsters, like their AC, saves, resistances, and such, which don't matter as much if you're only facing homebrew enemies from 3rd party books or ones the DM made themselves.
Then there are things that depend on every game, like only healing when an ally is at 0 hp. Sometimes it'll be great, unless the DM attacks unconscious characters, then it's suicide. A lot of assumptions also rely on the stats of official monsters, like their AC, saves, resistances, and such, which don't matter as much if you're only facing homebrew enemies from 3rd party books or ones the DM made themselves.
MuhVerisimilitude
Hero
I deliberately picked wizard because it's not a charisma class, and then I deliberately picked non-social type spells because someone was complaining about class comparisons always focusing on social skills or something.
So clarification:
A wizard gets better at everything when they level up. You have noticed that every spell I listed was a higher level spell. It's something they could not do at a first level. This too was deliberate. The champion, by contrast, doesn't get better as they level up. They barely gain any features and nothing they do changes their capabilities in a radical way.
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