Can you Quickdraw in the middle of an Attack?

[Camarath]

With the same weapon?

Yes, two immediate extra attacks with the same weapon at the same time.

 

[rbingham2000]

This is the way I understand how the "cleave" thing works:

1. Make an attack and drop opponent with one blow. Cleave time.
2. Next attack is on a second adjacent foe. If you just have Cleave, that's as far as you go, regardless of whether or not you drop the second foe with one blow.
3. Great Cleave allows you to attack another foe if you drop the second foe with one blow. And if you drop THAT foe in one blow, you get to attack another foe. And so on until you run out of adjacent bad guys or your last attack fails to drop someone.

All of these attacks are made with one weapon, for the reason given below.

The picture I get of these feats in action is the scene of a samurai warrior slicing through a half-dozen foes with one stroke of his razor-sharp katana blade, or big bad Sauron blowing through a half-dozen human and elven warriors with each swing of his big bad mace in the first part of the FOTR movie.

With that said, the two Cleave feats make for a good way to clean house on low-level mooks (goblins, orcs, bandits, whatever) as you get higher in level.

 

[Caliban]

Yes, two immediate extra attacks with the same weapon at the same time.

Why do you think this is even possible?

It would seem to require the weapon to be in two different places at the same time.

 

[Sejs]

It would seem to require the weapon to be in two different places at the same time.

Right, hence the previous crack about Space-Time.

 

[Camarath]

Why do you think this is even possible?

It would seem to require the weapon to be in two different places at the same time.

Is an attack one swing with a weapon or is it an amalgamate of seaperate swings, strikes, blocks and parries over a set period of time. If it is the former then the weapon would have to be in two places at the same time which would not normally be possible. If it is the later then the character just has to divide his attentions between two different targets during the same period of time during which both attacks can occur.

 

[Sejs]

I think it's more at the "One Roll, One Swing" end of things nowadays.

Things like touch attacks fall appart if each attack is going back and forth for a while - touch attacks are easy to make already, but if you were going back and forth with your opponent for a while which was summed up in an attack roll, then it would be virtually guarenteed that at some point during that you make at least brief contact with your target.

 

[Camarath]

Things like touch attacks fall appart if each attack is going back and forth for a while - touch attacks are easy to make already, but if you were going back and forth with your opponent for a while which was summed up in an attack roll, then it would be virtually guarenteed that at some point during that you make at least brief contact with your target.

Touch attacks only fall apart if you assume that any glancing contact counts rather than requiring solid contact to trigger the effect.

 

[Sejs]

This is true. To my knowledge, it's not specified either way.

 

[Camarath]

This is true. To my knowledge, it's not specified either way.

Well, abstraction has to breakdown at some point anyway. I think we are pretty close to that point here.

 

[rbingham2000]

Why do you think this is even possible?

It would seem to require the weapon to be in two different places at the same time.

Basically, the extra attacks the Cleave feats give you represent the follow-through on your first attack, as more guys get caught in the swing-arc of your weapon. If it's a piercing weapon like a spear or a rapier, it means that not only did you skewer one guy, but you also got several more guys who were directly behind him.

Hope that clears up any confusion.