Captain America: Brave New World - Official Trailer (2025)

[Marc Radle]

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I'm not upset by that at all. When I go to movies, it's to get away from reality for a bit, not to get preached at about a real world issue. Those I deal with outside of my entertainment.

Then the movie should be about non-real stuff.

But the movie presents itself as about real-world issues and concepts, just through a Marvel lens. And instead completely chickens out of saying anything. It's just cowardice, don't pretend its escapism. Escapism is something like the classic Avengers movies or even Winter Soldier. This is something much more pathetic and loserly. Just like the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show - it intentionally featured a bunch of real issues through a Marvel lens, and then again, was too cowardly to actually address them (though I hear this was due to Marvel high-ups messing with the script and demanding reshoots and changes, not the original intention of the showrunner), instead giving us a big dumb solves-nothing speech which didn't rise to Cap's normal level. I understand we don't even really get that here.

So, for example, Falcon and the Winter Soldier failed at delivering in-world plausibility. It was confused nonsense that wanted to look like it was doing a thing, without doing the thing.

Captain America Winter Soldier, on the other hand, did a good job of giving us a cold war spy thriller vibe that fit within the MCU.

Yup exactly.

You can do this right, or you can do this wrong, and they're choosing wrong once more.

BUt hey, I'm still gonnna go see it.

This is why they keep making crap movies though. Because people go and see them anyway.

 

[Maxperson]

Then the movie should be about non-real stuff.

But the movie presents itself as about real-world issues and concepts, just through a Marvel lens. And instead completely chickens out of saying anything. It's just cowardice, don't pretend its escapism. Escapism is something like the classic Avengers movies or even Winter Soldier. This is something much more pathetic and loserly. Just like the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show - it intentionally featured a bunch of real issues through a Marvel lens, and then again, was too cowardly to actually address them (though I hear this was due to Marvel high-ups messing with the script and demanding reshoots and changes, not the original intention of the showrunner), instead giving us a big dumb solves-nothing speech which didn't rise to Cap's normal level. I understand we don't even really get that here.


Yup exactly.

You can do this right, or you can do this wrong, and they're choosing wrong once more.


This is why they keep making crap movies though. Because people go and see them anyway.

Fair enough. I didn't realize that it brought those things up and just let them sit there. It should have just been escapism all the way through and through.

 

[Reynard]

This is why they keep making crap movies though. Because people go and see them anyway.

But it isn't a "crap movie" -- it is just a movie. I don't think we should realistically expect every popcorn flick to be an Oscar worthy film. People are allowed to like what they like, and "mixed reviews" means just that: some people liked it, and others didn't. That is the movie you should go see, so you can make up your own mind.

 

[Reef]

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t this the last movie to suffer from pandemic-era film making? The whole schedule shuffling, forced rewrites thing? That might explain why some reports say the cgi is incredibly uneven…some look really expensive, others not so much. And some weird story beats.

If so, that explains a lot, and also gives me hope that the next films (FF4 and Thunderbolts) might escape that curse.

I’m glad to see it actually clock in under 2 hours though. Still up in the air about seeing it in the theatre, though. Which is too bad…I could really use a good Cap movie right now.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't think we should realistically expect every popcorn flick to be an Oscar worthy film.

I've read the reviews.

It's a crap movie (or at least a deeply mediocre one).

Not because it has nothing to say. Not because it's "not Oscar worthy". Those are just symptoms of the weird disease that makes the MCU want to mess with real world issues without addressing them properly, when they'd be better off either avoiding them entirely or actually addressing them.

But rather it's crap/deeply mediocre because it's not even a good "popcorn flick"!

It's far too long and tedious and convoluted - this is consistent in the reviews. That's the problem. I get that every single Marvel movie will have people defending to the death, no matter how incredibly bad it is, it could be the worse than Ecks vs Sever, and half of this forum would still be saying "Well I'll give it a chance!", because that's MCU fans for you, that's what is keeping these movies being made, and it's what's keeping Marvel from actually reassessing why they're so consistently mediocre-to-bad.

But you can't to defend a bad movie as "just a popcorn flick" when its not even that! You can't be a "popcorn movie" when you have hours of boring plotting and weak and unmemorable action.

I love dodgy or very simple action movies, I always have. This isn't one of them. That's kind of what makes me a bit mad here. It's not hard to make a good Cap movie. Just have Cap find and bash some badguys (preferably Nazis or adjacent like Hydra, unequivocally bad dudes), face some challenges along the way, give a good speech (not a milquetoast one like FatWS) and exit stage. But instead they wanted to make an overcomplicated bunch of wibble.

This overcomplicated wibble factor has been an issue with a bunch of MCU movies over the last few years. It's like they're embarrassed that they're making superhero movies so they feel the need to make them unnecessarily complicated or something, and forget about the basics, like good action in your action movie.

People are allowed to like what they like, and "mixed reviews" means just that: some people liked it, and others didn't. That is the movie you should go see, so you can make up your own mind.

Nah.

That's a very strange and illogical opinion. The idea that you should go to a movie because it has mixed reviews is just not logical.

You should go and see a movie when it has good reviews, not mixed ones. But most people don't even then, unless it's some CU nonsense.

Now you might have a case if the movie was divisive, like some people were saying it was 2/10, others were saying it was 9/10, sure. But that's not the case. Here some people are saying it's 4.0/10, and other people are saying it's 5.5/10, and slightly more are saying 4.0/10. That's not divisive, it's just the difference between "Tedious waste of time" and "Not great but it passed the time". I'm sorry I don't go to the cinema for "passed the time" anymore. Not when popcorn costs as much as it does!

 

[Ruin Explorer]

If I’m not mistaken, isn’t this the last movie to suffer from pandemic-era film making? The whole schedule shuffling, forced rewrites thing? That might explain why some reports say the cgi is incredibly uneven…some look really expensive, others not so much. And some weird story beats.

Filming was March to June 2023. So well after the pandemic. And the CGI must have been after that.

So there's no pandemic excuse for the that, not really. The re-writes might be pandemic or might just be Disney cowardice. With FatWS they were Disney cowardice even though it was in the pandemic. They initially thought they made the "bad guys" were too sympathetic and the ending insufficiently condemnatory of them (and also wanted the ending to link into Secret Wars, which it didn't originally, because they thought Secret Wars would be out fairly soon after it lol), which is why there's that insane out-of-nowhere "Oh yeah I blow up hospitals lol" scene and why the ending is a total mess. It's very funny Disney are scared of this when they also put out Andor which is like "KILLING FASCISTS AND THEIR MINIONS AND COLLABORATORS AND VIOLENTLY OVERTHROWING TOTALITARIAN REGIMES IS AN OBJECTIVE GOOD!" and where the showrunner is literally saying he based the two main good guys on Lenin and (young, not evil dictator mode) Stalin! But Disney are nothing if not a land of contradictions.

If so, that explains a lot, and also gives me hope that the next films (FF4 and Thunderbolts) might escape that curse.

Thunderbolts* looks like it's using rather less CGI than usual, and I expect it'll be fine there. FF4 remains to be seen. If both escape then we can hope Marvel has sorted out their CGI quality issues, but we've been fooled before on that!

 

[Gradine]

The reviews I've seen are mixed, not bad, which, honestly, I expect for any Marvel movie anymore, no matter how good.

Nah.

That's a very strange and illogical opinion. The idea that you should go to a movie because it has mixed reviews is just not logical.

You should go and see a movie when it has good reviews, not mixed ones. But most people don't even then, unless it's some CU nonsense.

Nah, mixed reviews literally means some people liked it and others didn't, which means at best it's niche, and at worst it's niche.

Staying in the MCU, two films that got "mixed" reviews were The Marvels and The Eternals. I watched both of them, one of them I absolutely loved, the other I thought and still think was the worst thing to come out of the MCU, and I'm including the Jeremy Renner app

 

[Thomas Shey]

Yeah, I've seen too many reviews of movies that claimed they were absolute junk that I liked quite a bit to take someone saying one is horrible as anything but one data point.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Nah, mixed reviews literally means some people liked it and others didn't, which means at best it's niche, and at worst it's niche.

Like I said, that's a misrepresentation.

There's a huge difference between "divisive", and ones where pretty much everyone agrees its "mid", it's just some people are going with "mid but ok" and others are going "mid but bad".

This isn't 2/10 vs 9/10. This is 4/10 vs 5.5/10.

And the majority of critics are coming down on the 4/10 or lower side.

And no, absolutely not re: niche, that's just reality denial. Niche is a separate thing. Niche films don't crash and burn in critic reviews, generally speaking. Niche films in fact tend to do very well in critic reviews. A lot of films that almost no-one goes to see, and that are really only for a relatively small number of people - i.e. niche have 80-100% RT and 75%+ Metacritic.

This is exactly the problem. People are pretending a movie that almost all critics agree is a mediocre is "divisive" and it's not. It's mediocre. It's just for some people it was mediocre in an okay way, and others in a "this is crap" way. No-one is going to come out of this thinking it was an incredible movie, not even in the way some people might think that about Michael Bay's Pain and Gain.