Captain America: Brave New World - Official Trailer (2025)

[Thomas Shey]

You don't get to moan about projecting when you're putting out generalized nonsense about "the critics" being wrong.

Not what I said. I said with what I'd seen they'll paint movies as bad that are at worst average just because they're Marvel movies. And I absolutely stand by that.

Your comment, on the other hand, was suggesting because a film is a genre film I cut it more slack that other films. That both is untrue and something you had no evidence of in my particular case, so yes, you were projecting.

What a way to admit it is, in fact, mid, and the critics were correct! Good grief lol.

It wasn't the ones that said it was average I was objecting to. It was the ones who said it was bad.

Yeah but how far above? 5.5/10? That's above average, I mean, you could give a movie a 0/10, it's not a d10! 6/10? Because I'm guessing not 7/10 because then we're into movies you're never going to reluctantly call mid when you hate the term.

\What difference does it make what specifically I mean since apparently I'm giving it freebies because its a genre film?

And yes, you'll never hear me call something "mid". It has semantic loading I don't need to use when "average" is right there. I don't consider average an insult, but as used "mid" clearly is.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Not what I said. I said with what I'd seen they'll paint movies as bad that are at worst average just because they're Marvel movies. And I absolutely stand by that.

It's nonsense, though, complete nonsense, and it's very easy to see by looking at actual reviews and reviewers. I ask you to provide an example of an "average" or "mediocre" Marvel movie that was unfairly condemned as "bad" by critics. Because it sure ain't this.

 

[jian]

Crikey, let’s just go and see it. Or wait for streaming. Anyone who hasn’t seen it doesn’t have a valid opinion.

I’m expecting a film version of FatWS with less to zero Bucky and about the same level of dissatisfying political engagement but with better effects. How will the new Falcon work out? Will they actually make POTUS the bad guy (and if so, will he get impeached and punished)? Let’s see.

 

[Mercurius]

Part of the problem is that no new MCU film exists in a vacuum - it is always compared to what came before. From Iron Man in 2008 to End Game in 2019, there was a general upward trend; ups and downs, certainly, but the whole MCU 'congealed' into something rather epic and pleasing to a wide fan base and critics alike.

Since 2019, they don't seem to be offering anything particularly new - it just feels like trying to squeeze more juice out of an increasingly dry lemon, and often using "second tier" characters that don't have the screen presence of the earlier stars. Even the much lauded Deadpool & Wolverine felt like one of those old sitcom retrospective episodes that didn't really show us anything particularly new or interesting (imo, of course).

Disclaimer: I have literally only seen two Phase 4 and one Phase 5 films, so am going on that and what I've read about the others.

Anyhow, Fantastic Four seems fresh because not only are they going with a different look (retro 60s SF), but it just seems to be a very necessary re-set. It has, at the least, perked my interest and made me cautiously optimistic for "Phase 6."

As a side note, I'm wondering if they're going to continue with the Avengers being the central team to the MCU. Most of the announced Phase Six films are "Avengers-centric," but different teams have taken central stage at different times in the history of Marvel comics, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Avengers take on a more secondary role to the FF and/or X-Men in future phases. From a cinematic perspective, it really comes down to the screen presence and popularity of the cast, and I'm not sure any of the current Avengers can really pick-up the baton left by Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans (and, to a lesser/shorter extent, Chadwick Boseman RIP).

 

[Thomas Shey]

It's nonsense, though, complete nonsense, and it's very easy to see by looking at actual reviews and reviewers. I ask you to provide an example of an "average" or "mediocre" Marvel movie that was unfairly condemned as "bad" by critics. Because it sure ain't this.

If you think I'm going to take the time to hunt down reviews that are, in most cases, a year or more old just to provide you something else to pooh-pooh, don't hold your breath.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Crikey, let’s just go and see it. Or wait for streaming. Anyone who hasn’t seen it doesn’t have a valid opinion.

I’m expecting a film version of FatWS with less to zero Bucky and about the same level of dissatisfying political engagement but with better effects. How will the new Falcon work out? Will they actually make POTUS the bad guy (and if so, will he get impeached and punished)? Let’s see.

That's not too far off.

My own feeling was that the plot became predictable fairly early (but then, I find that happens in a lot of action movies, probably the majority of them so it doesn't bother me overly), with some pacing problems (which I think was a much bigger issue), decent to excellent acting, good to excellent combat choreography and pretty good special effects. The net effect, as I said was an above average movie of its type with some flaws, none of them critical (the plot was coherent for the most part, for example, just predictable, and it actually managed to briefly red-herring me early on).

 

[Thomas Shey]

As a side note, I'm wondering if they're going to continue with the Avengers being the central team to the MCU. Most of the announced Phase Six films are "Avengers-centric," but different teams have taken central stage at different times in the history of Marvel comics, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Avengers take on a more secondary role to the FF and/or X-Men in future phases. From a cinematic perspective, it really comes down to the screen presence and popularity of the cast, and I'm not sure any of the current Avengers can really pick-up the baton left by Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans (and, to a lesser/shorter extent, Chadwick Boseman RIP).

They seem to be presenting it as so, but as you say, the incoming presence of the FF and the X-Men seems a potential confusion of that. My own guess is the new incarnation of the Avengers will be central to the two upcoming Avengers movies, and then less so.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

If you think I'm going to take the time to hunt down reviews that are, in most cases, a year or more old just to provide you something else to pooh-pooh, don't hold your breath.

I'll be honest, I don't think they can be at all common if they'd "take time" to "hunt down". But you do you.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'll be honest, I don't think they can be at all common if they'd "take time" to "hunt down". But you do you.

Phase 4+ mcu movies haven't been as well received is common enough knowledge.

Biggest problem was Endgame basically book ended the MCU. It was always going to be hard to keep going after that with similar results. Less popular characters with less popular actors and that's before quality of writing is considered.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Phase 4+ mcu movies haven't been as well received is common enough knowledge.

Biggest problem was Endgame basically book ended the MCU. It was always going to be hard to keep going after that with similar results. Less popular characters with less popular actors and that's before quality of writing is considered.

Yeah. Even if you liked the MCU and many of the remaining characters, everything and its brother was going to get compared to Infinity War and Endgame, and to some people, that meant everything was going to look bad. Add in the general tendency to consider "average" as a synonym with "bad" by some people (I'm deadly serious when I say the rise of the way "mid" has been used is a pox on media and other related area's discourse), and there are fundamental problems with a lot of reviewing right now, and that's even if you exclude the people who are hostile to action movies or superhero movies out the gate.