Changeover Poll

[Dannyalcatraz]

Yes, because once we have made such a snapshot decision, we are more likely to defend it, even with somewhat irrational arguments than to reevaluate it.

That's not really my MO.

I've tried oysters and tuna many ways...but no matter how much I try, I can't stand my oysters raw, and only enjoy tuna as sushi/sashimi.

I knew from reading GURPS that it wasn't my game. Years of playing it hasn't changed my opinion one bit.

The difference between GURPS and 4Ed, in this instance, is that my experience with GURPS was in a group that played a lot of the game, giving me countless opportunities to try it out.

With 4Ed, there is not one person in my circle of (10+) gamers who is willing to run it. There were differing main reasons for rejecting it: mine, oft described elsewhere on the board; some who feel personally and financially invested in 3.X, so don't want to change; the programmers (including game programmers) who felt it was too videogamey; those who didn't have the time or inclination to learn a new system...IOW, the gamut of reasons why people have cited for not playing 4Ed.

Btw, I would love to have this discussion in person. If you ever come to Ann Arbor, drop me a line and I will buy you a beer.

Man, I haven't been that far North in some time, and you're not the first to offer me a brewski if I head to the land of ice and snow.

I may just have to go on a trip across the northern reaches of the USA and Canada- or maybe arrange for us all to meet at GenCon*- to see how drunk I can get!

*one of these days, I WILL make it to GenCon.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Shrug, I've gaming about as long as you and I'm pretty sure you are wrong. I have seen more than one game that read great and played badly and the other way round. If you think you know what a game is like after reading the rule book you are making a decision on very little information and your prior is likely contributing more to the decision than the data you have.

This is not aimed at Harlekin, but rather it was the most recent post covering the give it a chance theory. The point that I would like to share is that sometimes things can be judged by thier cover and people don't need to try everything in order to decide they don't like it. So for those that think one should try everything before deciding they don't like it, I would recomend giving FATAL a nice long trial period, then come back and let us know how it is.

 

[Scribble]

I may just have to go on a trip across the northern reaches of the USA and Canada- or maybe arrange for us all to meet at GenCon*- to see how drunk I can get!

Man I would reccomend from experience staying away from traveling the northern route across the US...

At first you're all like Oh cool corn fields! Then like a day later you're like... please... no more cornfields...

Plus I'm not quite sure why the majority of our country listens to either talk radio, religious stations, or death metal, with no other options.

 

[Harlekin]

Man, I haven't been that far North in some time, and you're not the first to offer me a brewski if I head to the land of ice and snow.

I may just have to go on a trip across the northern reaches of the USA and Canada- or maybe arrange for us all to meet at GenCon*- to see how drunk I can get!

*one of these days, I WILL make it to GenCon.

You are aware that we have Ice and Snow (in capital letters) only in the winter? In the summer it does get rather balmy here.

 

[Brown Jenkin]

Man I would reccomend from experience staying away from traveling the northern route across the US...

At first you're all like Oh cool corn fields! Then like a day later you're like... please... no more cornfields....

Mostly true, mostly true. The only difference I would point out that there are also wheat fields and more wheat fields as well.

Plus I'm not quite sure why the majority of our country listens to either talk radio, religious stations, or death metal, with no other options.

Please remember the the majority of our population doesn't live there. Its just that most of the land is there.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

So for those that think one should try everything before deciding they don't like it, I would recomend giving FATAL a nice long trial period, then come back and let us know how it is.

I think I made that suggestion a while ago- nice to see someone else agrees!

Man I would reccomend from experience staying away from traveling the northern route across the US...

At first you're all like Oh cool corn fields! Then like a day later you're like... please... no more cornfields...

Well, I used to live in Tacoma, WA and Manhattan, KS, and I've actually made that trip before. I LOVE long road trips with funky rest-stops and roadside attractions. I can't tell you how many dinosaur parks, caves, forests, dairy/cheese farms and such I've visited.

You are aware that we have Ice and Snow (in capital letters) only in the winter? In the summer it does get rather balmy here.

True- the last time I visited Michigan was in the summer- it was nice...very picturesque, and the smell of pine everywhere...unless you're near the shipyards or factories near the Great Lakes.

OTOH, "balmy" up there is like early spring in Texas. You guys have heat stroke warnings at temps we out playing football in...

...while our cities down here get shut down by storms that wouldn't slow you guys down.

 

[Scribble]

Well, I used to live in Tacoma, WA and Manhattan, KS, and I've actually made that trip before. I LOVE long road trips with funky rest-stops and roadside attractions. I can't tell you how many dinosaur parks, caves, forests, dairy/cheese farms and such I've visited.

yeah I've been back and forth across the country 3 times now. I love the drive, and think everyone should do it at least once...

Just not the northern route.

Or at least not the northern route the whole time. There truly is a place called insanity, and it's filled with corn fields. Endless cornfields. And nothign else.

 

[Harlekin]

OTOH, "balmy" up there is like early spring in Texas. You guys have heat stroke warnings at temps we out playing football in...

...while our cities down here get shut down by storms that wouldn't slow you guys down.

I know. I was interviewing in Dallas and in Michigan pretty exactly 4 years ago. It's a miracle that almost all the good schools are still in the north, given that academic hiring season is in the winter.

 

[Harlekin]

This is not aimed at Harlekin, but rather it was the most recent post covering the give it a chance theory. The point that I would like to share is that sometimes things can be judged by thier cover and people don't need to try everything in order to decide they don't like it. So for those that think one should try everything before deciding they don't like it, I would recomend giving FATAL a nice long trial period, then come back and let us know how it is.

See I would never claim that I have a well-founded opinion of FATAL. And i don't need to develop one.

Furthermore, I have a much more informative prior on FATAL than on any new edition of D&D. After all FATAL is the fantasy heartbreaker of a random guy out there while any new edition of D&D is several years of development effort of some of the best designers in the hobby.

 

[xechnao]

After all FATAL is the fantasy heartbreaker of a random guy out there while any new edition of D&D is several years of development effort of some of the best designers in the hobby.

Can you answer why? How do you know that they are some of the best designers in the hobby? How do you value who is random and who is not? Can you say if Gary Gygax is a better designer than those who designed Runequest or Warhammer? What is a fantasy heartbreaker? Is warhammer or runequest or ars magica one?