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Salthorae

Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
Shardminds are not an Eberron thing, they are a Nentir Vale
Fully new race for 4e, so Nentir Vale, not FR except through the "here's how you could include them for your campaign here" kind of sidebar.

It’s the main idea behind the Black Spine adventure
I only remember the first invasion in this adventure, not the second you speak of... unless you're talking about the planned invasion that gets stopped in Black Spine?

Well, and therein lies the rub eh? In all of D&D lore, there is no Githyanki Queen named Trinth outside of this adventure, at least that I've ever seen.

All I've ever seen is the Lich Queen Vlaakith.

So... maybe the Githyanki of Dark Sun are not supposed to be the Githyanki of the rest of the published worlds?

Dunno.
 
Fully new race for 4e, so Nentir Vale, not FR except through the "here's how you could include them for your campaign here" kind of sidebar.



I only remember the first invasion in this adventure, not the second you speak of... unless you're talking about the planned invasion that gets stopped in Black Spine?



Well, and therein lies the rub eh? In all of D&D lore, there is no Githyanki Queen named Trinth outside of this adventure, at least that I've ever seen.

All I've ever seen is the Lich Queen Vlaakith.

So... maybe the Githyanki of Dark Sun are not supposed to be the Githyanki of the rest of the published worlds?

Dunno.
The answer is in an AD&D adventure called DSE2 Black Spine.

The gith of Athas were descendants of githyanki who established a fortress on Athas millennia ago, but were devastated by a psionic bomb used by the githzerai who assaulted the fortress.
 

Salthorae

Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
The answer is in an AD&D adventure called DSE2 Black Spine.

The gith of Athas were descendants of githyanki who established a fortress on Athas millennia ago, but were devastated by a psionic bomb used by the githzerai who assaulted the fortress.
You mean the adventure that I referenced already in my own post?

I know about that adventure and its contents.

I was questioning the phrasing that @Bitbrain used of "first invasion" vs. "second invasion". It seemed as though they were talking about two invasions that happen within that adventure.

If they are just talking about the original invasion that yielded the Gith and then the second invasion being the one the adventure itself deals with, ok.
 

Bitbrain

Adventurer
I only remember the first invasion in this adventure, not the second you speak of... unless you're talking about the planned invasion that gets stopped in Black Spine?
The first invasion is the exposition filled “prelude set who-knows-how-many-centuries-ago”, if you will.

EDIT
Quickleaf’s explanation is probably more accurate. I don't have the PDF open, so am relying on memory.

Well, and therein lies the rub eh? In all of D&D lore, there is no Githyanki Queen named Trinth outside of this adventure, at least that I've ever seen.

All I've ever seen is the Lich Queen Vlaakith.

So... maybe the Githyanki of Dark Sun are not supposed to be the Githyanki of the rest of the published worlds?

Dunno.
I don’t know either. Maybe a faction that broke away and established a new kingdom on the Astral Plane?

I do know that time isn’t supposed to work the same on the Astral Plane like it does on the Material in the adventure.

The adventure concludes with the heroes experiencing the consequences of a kind of time dilation: days have passed for Athas, while the heroes themselves might only have been on the Astral Plane for a few hours...
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
The first invasion is the exposition filled “prelude set who-knows-how-many-centuries-ago”, if you will.

EDIT
Quickleaf’s explanation is probably more accurate. I don't have the PDF open, so am relying on memory.



I don’t know either. Maybe a faction that broke away and established a new kingdom on the Astral Plane?

I do know that time isn’t supposed to work the same on the Astral Plane like it does on the Material in the adventure.

The adventure concludes with the heroes experiencing the consequences of a kind of time dilation: days have passed for Athas, while the heroes themselves might only have been on the Astral Plane for a few hours...
Found an excerpt from Black Spine;

When Trinth came into possession of the artifact Yrinolir, she began to conceive a great plan. Whether this was her doing, the items doing, or a combination of the two is impossible to say. With the powers of her newly found treasure, she began to assemble an army of faithful followers. As their number grew, they sought out and claimed the asteroid fragment upon which the city of Galnaki would be built. As the city grew, Trinth began to research an ancient story that had been handed down in her family for generations. This tale told of a strange planet on the Prime Material Plane that was almost uninhabitable. The harsh nature of life on this world had twisted the inhabitants, making them far more powerful as they fought to survive. Trinth dreamed of finding this world, claiming it for her own, and using the powers she would find there to seize control of the entire Prime Material Plane. With that prize in her grip. she would turn her attention to the rest of the Astral Plane and overthrow the githyanki lich-queen. Trinth sent her agents to the Prime Material Plane with orders to find this mythical world. In the end, one of them came across the burnt wastes of Athas. There could be no doubt that this was the planet of Trinths legends.

So she is named as a Queen in the adventure, but she is very clearly not the queen of the the Githyanki; she is leading her own group of followers and seeks to overthrow the Lich-Queen. So she's a pretender.
 

gyor

Hero
Fully new race for 4e, so Nentir Vale, not FR except through the "here's how you could include them for your campaign here" kind of sidebar.



I only remember the first invasion in this adventure, not the second you speak of... unless you're talking about the planned invasion that gets stopped in Black Spine?



Well, and therein lies the rub eh? In all of D&D lore, there is no Githyanki Queen named Trinth outside of this adventure, at least that I've ever seen.

All I've ever seen is the Lich Queen Vlaakith.

So... maybe the Githyanki of Dark Sun are not supposed to be the Githyanki of the rest of the published worlds?

Dunno.
The Living Gate appeared in an FR novel, I don't remember which one, so by extension it seems reasonable to concider Shardminds are in FR.

Update: Living Gate
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
I just can’t imagine the point in a setting that connects all of reality and if if you look and search hard enough you can get anywhere and then saying not this setting. Oh and not this one too. Oh and we created this new one that you can’t go to also. It’s not like you are opening up the place to mass migration and trade.
I don't think anyone has said that? You can leave Athas, it's just really difficult, more-so than any other world on the Material Plane.
 

Salthorae

Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
So she is named as a Queen in the adventure, but she is very clearly not the queen of the the Githyanki; she is leading her own group of followers and seeks to overthrow the Lich-Queen. So she's a pretender.
Great find!

I don't have that book around anymore so wouldn't have found that blurb!
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
Great find!

I don't have that book around anymore so wouldn't have found that blurb!
Yeah it's definitely a fun bit of lore, that not everyone is loyal to the Lich-Queen.

The module overall also adds credence to my view of how Dark Sun planar travel works, that it's not technically that difficult to reach Athas by portal or other planar travel, it's the getting out that is much more difficult (the Githyanki have little problem getting into Athas, but leaving seems almost impossible).
 

Salthorae

Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
The Living Gate appeared in an FR novel, I don't remember which one, so by extension it seems reasonable to concider Shardminds are in FR.

Update: Living Gate
Ugh. I stopped consuming FR fiction material with the advent of the Spellplague and 4e, I'm still only getting caught up.

So a gate the size of eyelashes in the underdark of the Feywild and is mentioned in a short story only in any lore somehow birthed a race of people? I... guess? I suppose that makes it canon to FR, but again.... ugh.
 

gyor

Hero
Ugh. I stopped consuming FR fiction material with the advent of the Spellplague and 4e, I'm still only getting caught up.

So a gate the size of eyelashes in the underdark of the Feywild and is mentioned in a short story only in any lore somehow birthed a race of people? I... guess? I suppose that makes it canon to FR, but again.... ugh.
That not all the Intel about the Living Gate.

The Living Gate
 

Bitbrain

Adventurer
Shardminds are not an Eberron thing, they are a Nentir Vale and maybe Forgotten Realms thing. I mean they could show up in Eberron, but Eberron is not the source of Shardminds. Shardminds aren't constructs, they are broken pieces of the Living Gate, a crystal gate that protects against the Far Realms.
looks up Shardminds

😎

Oh, I could use these guys in one my Eberron campaigns. With a little reworking, they’d be perfect for what I have planned with the Glass Plataeu.
 

QuentinGeorge

Explorer
Somebody said Athas is a demiplane out of prime material plane, it is isolated. The canon says nothing about the "crimson sphere", and this is only fan-art. And it is harder to add new things, as classes.

Dragonlance is awesome as novels, but for TTRPG is harder when all the prominence is for the heroes of the lance, and family. Other matter is if the chronomancers come back to 5th Ed, Krynn could be the main "victim", with fans creating their own parallel timelines, and maybe this would be right.

The cover of Wild Elves by Brom inspires me a crossover between Krynn and Athas in an alternative timeline where the world of Dragonlance is suffering an apocalypse by the defilers from Athas (and maybe Chaos is the responsible).

* Ravenloft needs a sourcebook about Vladantilan, a land in the material plane rule by vampyres (living vampires) and home by Vladimir Luzig. I think if dark powers want to create a zombie apocalypse this will be the main candidate to suffer it. Even I suggest this could be caused by PCs to avoid other zones with more innocent people could suffer that horrible fate.

Sometimes I have imagined a urban dark fantasy, with arcologies (super skyscrapers) but with a noir-punk look, as Tim Burton's Batman movies. Here the psionics were superheroes and supervillains, but there were attacked by unknown creatures from the far realm. When these died dropped a poisonous gas, and then the psionics become mad, psychopaths. (yes, I am plagiarizing the comic "Leaving Megalopolis"). But isn't terrifying when famous superheroes (or ersatz) become monsters? When the temptation of mixing Ravenloft and White Wolf's World of Darkness is too strong, I imagine dark powers tainting, invading, infecting an "outlander" world as 7th Sea or Gothic Earth. This would allow so many supernatural factions.

Have you thought about how could be a race of living constructs (as warforged or shardminds) in Ravenloft? Maybe somebody wanted to create half-golems, or survived when a living carrionette tried a soul transference but with secondary effects, or created by Easan the mad. Maybe created as canon fodder because undeads can't eat or infect constructs.

* After the success of Games of Thrones and getting ready for a second season of the Witcher and Elric of Melnibone also is going to be adapted to the screen I dare to say live-action adaptation of some D&D franchises has the open doors, but they need a really good story.

* My (new) suggestion for WotC and Hasbro is to create a fantasy world but set in the atomic age, with a panzer-punk look (fantasy WWII), because a fictional enemy as the Cobra-la alien empire is more politically correct than Japanese or Russian armies in the second world war. And this world could be used as mash-up of the rest of Hasbro franchises. (Hummmmm, a crossover between Uma Musume Pretty Dervy and Equestria Girls would be fun).
You keep implying the Dark Powers are going to reach out and "do something" outside of their own realm, like zombie invasions because they're big super-powerful bad guys. Here's the problem, that's not what the Dark Powers are.

They don't create evil, they don't have a desire to go out and unleash undead on the universe. They may tempt, but all their "victims" ultimately choose evil of their own free will. And then the Dark Powers "reward" them and, crucially then, imprison them. It's an open question whether the Dark Powers are even evil - they seem to plucking a lot of Prime Material villains away from their victims. (But they do seem to have sadistic interest in tormenting their villainous prisoners). They let Soth go because he didn't play the game. He'd given up. Vecna and Kas broke out.
 

gyor

Hero
You keep implying the Dark Powers are going to reach out and "do something" outside of their own realm, like zombie invasions because they're big super-powerful bad guys. Here's the problem, that's not what the Dark Powers are.

They don't create evil, they don't have a desire to go out and unleash undead on the universe. They may tempt, but all their "victims" ultimately choose evil of their own free will. And then the Dark Powers "reward" them and, crucially then, imprison them. It's an open question whether the Dark Powers are even evil - they seem to plucking a lot of Prime Material villains away from their victims. (But they do seem to have sadistic interest in tormenting their villainous prisoners). They let Soth go because he didn't play the game. He'd given up. Vecna and Kas broke out.
We don't know who or what the Dark Powers are, or what their true agenda is, they could invade other worlds or protect them or something else entirely. Heck maybe there are no dark powers and people just tried to put a face on a mindless phenomena or something stranger yet.
 

QuentinGeorge

Explorer
We don't know who or what the Dark Powers are, or what their true agenda is, they could invade other worlds or protect them or something else entirely. Heck maybe there are no dark powers and people just tried to put a face on a mindless phenomena or something stranger yet.
They could invade other worlds, sure, in the sense that they could do anything. But they haven't. And show no interest in it. They actively took people with aspirations of conquest (Vlad Drakov, Kas, Vecna, for example) and stuck them in tiny domains with no escape to mess with them.

You're correct on the second point. The Dark Powers may not even exist - the whole concept of the Demiplane of Dread might be a natural phenomena of the magical mists that it is surrounded by. But there does appear to be some rhyme and reason to the prisons, which implies sentience.
 

LuisCarlos17f

Adventurer
But some rituals from the prime material plane could summon dark powers and theses would "taint" that zone. It would be like in the game "the Call of Cthulhu". Or the zombie plague could be caused accidentally when a powerful necromancer tried to escape and the ritual went wrong. Maybe a region is the battlefield between minions of Vecna and Kas the vampire. I don't talk about direct control, but sending agents or causing troubles.

My theory is after some events in the land of the mists some crystal spheres (but not we know) would be "blessed/cursed" with planar gates. The demiplane of the dread woud be linked with some "terror islands", outlander domains from in the shadowfell, where life isn't so hard, or influence by dark powers is weaker.

I suggest to open the mind for new ideas. The players should be ready or warned against surprises by a DM with a lot of imagination, for example a rhul-thaun (halfling subrace from Dark Sun) using elemental spirits to create life-shaping technology immune to necrotic damage by undeads and radiation from the dead land. Or PCs find ruins where a defiler tried to create an army of constructs as the perfect slaves and soldiers, but a betrayer caused an accident the the constructs rebelled against their creators. After they lost energy and stood still until they were reanimated by ghosts possessing their bodies. Later a defiler necromancer undead finds life-shaping technology and with inverse engineering he creates "undead technology".

Or PCs after a "weekend in the hell" they go from lands to the mist to a unknown region where the industrial revolution started with a wicked twist. There wasn't coal for the steam machines, and then the source of energy is ghosts and lifeforce by humanoids. Most of them aren't slaves really but convicts for a shorter punishment, poor people who couldn't pay doubts, or spirits saving money to "buy" an reincarnation in a "superior body". It wouldn't be a bad action if this lifeforce is donated voluntarily. The small letter is there is slavery by criminal guys and some tyrants are using this energy for their war machinery.
 

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