Critical Role Could Critical Role launch their own RPG?

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Well let’s avoid a pile on! Constructive criticism is great, but just endless moaning that they haven’t supported this or that pet project is just going to end badly. It’s way too easy to form social media hit squads!

These appear to be good people dealing with unexpected success and visibility, let’s not be an angry mob making unreasonable demands.
Well said. (I was just being facetious, I promise.) Whatever they are doing, it is clearly working.
 

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robus

Lowcountry Low Roller
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Hm. On second thought...

I can already hear the internet comment section howling with outrage. "Oh sure, Tiny RPG Project...how much money did you have to give Critical Role to get them to say that? You guys are such sell-outs. And those guys in Kansas are roommates with the uncle of the cousin of the former paperboy of a wealthy oil baron, so they already have enough money" and so on, right down the toilet. And no matter which project they announce, it would be the wrong choice according to 99% of the Internet and would alienate more than it would unite. It's sad, but we really do eat our own.

You’re probably right and this is why we can’t have nice things...
 

I don't think they are supporting others in response to criticism. Matt Mercer has been plugging #FundDiverseGames on Twitter months before the Kickstarter went live, and the Critical Role show has been raising money for local charities for years.

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe Critical Role should be above criticism...I don't think any public figure should be. And between you and me? I'm okay with it. If online criticism truly does motivate Critical Role to do even more great things for worthy causes, then let's pile it on.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a critic or detractor. I was just repeating what I saw (and argued against) and posting a link.
(Personally, I wanted to table flip after that hack job of a polygon article.)

The CR crew is doing a lot to signal boost gaming and do seem to be great human beings.
 

S'mon

Legend
The plan seems like a way to spend a lot of effort to turn a popular, money making show that they really enjoy being a part of into a less-popular show that makes less money and involves more work that they don't like, but allows them to say they're playing their own game instead of D&D. I really don't see why they'd opt to put in the effort to go from a large fortune to a small fortune, it just doesn't make sense on any level.

Harsh but fair!
 

When somebody is hated because has a lot of success has a name: tall poppies sindrome. But you don't worry when you soon recognize toxic people.

Today the market isn't ready for a third d20. Pathfinder appeared when D&D 4th Ed arrived but many would rather 3.5. And now the space should be the transition between medieval fantasy and modern age, knights vs pirates, armors vs gunpowder. To be a success should be an universal d20 where to can play different genres: gothic horror, space opera, superheroes, spies, WW II, far west, mechas vs kaijus. And d20 isn't ready for the right balance of power when enemies has got better weapons (only a shot with a bazooka to kill an ogre riding a dinosaur).

A third d20 game to be used by third party publishers would need to be a true universale genre. Maybe adding more abilities scores (astuteness, courage, technique, grace( = luck, karma, fate, divine blessing or curse).
 


CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a critic or detractor. I was just repeating what I saw (and argued against) and posting a link.
(Personally, I wanted to table flip after that hack job of a polygon article.)

The CR crew is doing a lot to signal boost gaming and do seem to be great human beings.
Heh. Yeah, that Polygon article made me groan so loudly that people were prairie-dogging over their cubicles here, asking me what I was reading. True story.

Thanks for clarifying; I was totally reading you wrong back there.
 

Dausuul

Legend
Nothing lasts forever. Start future-proofing early. And an RPG book isn't that big a hurdle.
So, in order to protect against the possibility that their relationship with WotC goes sour a few years down the road, they should trash it completely today?

There is a 5E SRD, and Pathfinder has demonstrated that if the current owner of the D&D franchise strays from the path, there is money to be made in keeping the flame alive. If Wizards goes down the 4E road again, there will be plenty of competition to create 5E-Pathfinder. Critical Role can then pick their favorite.
 


robus

Lowcountry Low Roller
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Dausuul

Legend
Not even slightly what I said.
Then it's not real clear what you said. If creating their own RPG is "future-proofing," what future are they making themselves proof against, and how is it worse than the disruption that would be created in the present by blowing up their relationship with WotC and the D&D brand?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Then it's not real clear what you said. If creating their own RPG is "future-proofing," what future are they making themselves proof against, and how is it worse than the disruption that would be created in the present by blowing up their relationship with WotC and the D&D brand?

How does writing a book “blow up” their relationship with WotC? Their relationship is not that precarious (unless you know something the rest of us don’t).
 

Dausuul

Legend
How does writing a book “blow up” their relationship with WotC? Their relationship is not that precarious (unless you know something the rest of us don’t).
If all they do is write it, sure, no problem. I thought you were suggesting they would publish it, too, and--most importantly--use it in place of D&D in their show.

Is that, or is that not, what you were proposing?
 

robus

Lowcountry Low Roller
Supporter
If all they do is write it, sure, no problem. I thought you were suggesting they would publish it, too, and--most importantly--use it in place of D&D in their show.

Is that, or is that not, what you were proposing?

Agreed. If they’re not going to eat their own dog food then what’s the point of producing it?
 

Nothing lasts forever. Start future-proofing early. And an RPG book isn't that big a hurdle.

D&D is pretty future proof. If WotC moves onto 6th Edition, they can stick with 5e. There’s no reason they need to play the current version.

Of course, if/when WotC does go to 6e, they’ll probably approach people like Critical Role and throw money at them to move over as well, advertising the game in the process.

And if WotC does move in a direction counter to the needs of CR (I’m uncertain what that would be), then CR could find another game company and partner with them. Like Green Ronin, whom they have an existing relationship with, adapting and customizing the AGE system.
Much like how Geek & Sundry’s show Callisto 6 partnered with Monte Cook to tweak the Cypher/Numenera system for their needs.

I’m not sure why they need to have their own rules. What makes the show is everything but: the story and characters and cast.
 

Dessert Nomad

Adventurer
Nothing lasts forever. Start future-proofing early. And an RPG book isn't that big a hurdle.

Future proofing against what? I don't see what they are supposed to proof against, or how this would defend against it. And creating and publishing a functional RPG that people like to play is a significant hurdle, making something that competes successfully with D&D is not that easy - lots of RPGs have crashed and burned over time. Maintaining their relationship with WOTC and their fans after they abandon D&D for their own private label game is also a significant hurdle, and I have no idea why they would want to even try to jump that one for some vague 'future proofing'.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
If all they do is write it, sure, no problem. I thought you were suggesting they would publish it, too, and--most importantly--use it in place of D&D in their show.

Is that, or is that not, what you were proposing?

That is or is not what I was proposing. Although I wasn’t proposing anything.

I haven’t said anything about changing their show. I wondered if they could publish an RPG.

Clearly you strongly feel the answer to that question is “no”.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
How does writing a book “blow up” their relationship with WotC? Their relationship is not that precarious (unless you know something the rest of us don’t).

We all assume that if they publish a game, they will shift their show to *use* the game. D&D players will no longer have a particular reason to take in their show, and the show won't be an advertisement for D&D. Which means effectively breaking the mutual-marketing relationship between them. That's what would get "blown up".

The real question isn't whether they can publish a game. The question is whether they can develop, write, test, and publish a *good* game.

Then, who is "they"? The people sitting at the table during the shows? Do they have particular chops in game design? If it isn't them, in person, then it is more like, "Can Critical Role glom onto some game designer(s), and promote a purpose-built game for the show?"
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Then, who is "they"? The people sitting at the table during the shows? Do they have particular chops in game design? If it isn't them, in person, then it is more like, "Can Critical Role glom onto some game designer(s), and promote a purpose-built game for the show?"

I don’t know the answer to any of those questions. I know they made a campaign setting, so they have some design chops. Whether that would translate to a full game, I don’t know. They have a great relationship with Green Ronin and various designers who published the campaign setting.

I don’t even know if they’d *want* to do something like that. All I really know for sure is that if they did, I’d buy it.
 

Dausuul

Legend
I haven’t said anything about changing their show. I wondered if they could publish an RPG.
Okay. So, let us say they publish an RPG. The options here are:

  • They don't change the show. In that case, they could publish an RPG, and it would not hurt them particularly, but it would also be kind of a pointless exercise. How are they going to sell it if they are not themselves willing to play it?
  • They do change the show. In that case, they have blown up their relationship with WotC, which was based on them playing Dungeons and Dragons. See the last 8 pages of replies for further details on why this is unlikely to turn out well.

Clearly you strongly feel the answer to that question is “no”.
That would be an obviously wrong answer, because of course they could. Anybody could publish an RPG. Taken literally, the answer to your question is a trivial yes.

My answer is, "They could, but it would be a poor use of their time and a lousy business idea."
 

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