Critical Role Could Critical Role launch their own RPG?

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
So, given two facts:

1) WotC indicated last year that streaming shows like Critical Role are responsible for over 50% of new player acquisitions;
http://www.enworld.org/forum/conten...Into-Game-From-Watching-Online-Play&p=7280374

2) Critical Role is currently demonstrating an ability to run a multi-million dollar Kickstarter in a small RPG industry which is only $55M in size according to ICv2.
http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?1984-Top-5-RPGs-Compiled-Charts-2008-Present

So Critical Role is a sizeable percentage of the RPG industry. If they launched their own RPG, it might not rival D&D, but it would certainly be a significant player.

Or not. I’m no expert. Do those 50%+ people who entered the hobby via streaming shows watch CR *because* it’s D&D? Or do they like D&D because CR plays it?

I feel like I would buy the Critical Role RPG.
 
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Lazybones

Adventurer
Well, they have their own campaign setting that was published by Green Ronin.

I suppose the biggest challenge would be swapping over their streamed game to a new ruleset. They've done it before (the pre-stream game was originally Pathfinder). But it would be pretty hard to do in the middle of a campaign, so it would likely happen during a switch over to Campaign 3. Even then there would be some challenges since I'm sure Matt would want to keep exploring his world (given the time he's put into it).
 

billd91

Not your screen monkey (he/him)
Maybe? But why would they? They may be helping to drive the D&D wave, but they're also riding it. Publishing their own RPG strikes me as a risk of the golden-goose-killing potential if it were successful enough to undermine that wave.

Note, of course, that wouldn't apply to them making D&D supplements, which strikes me as a better way to maximize the factors driving their success and the success of D&D.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Maybe? But why would they? They may be helping to drive the D&D wave, but they're also riding it. Publishing their own RPG strikes me as a risk of the golden-goose-killing potential if it were successful enough to undermine that wave.

Sure. New ventures entail risk. An RPG rulebook isn’t *that* much of a risk, though. Especially if it was a Kickstarter stretch goal. Much easier to produce than an animated show!
 

Tales and Chronicles

Jewel of the North, formerly know as vincegetorix
One thing that strikes me as strange when looking at the relation between the CR crew and TTRPG is the fact that there's nothing done with the setting and general material of Pillars of Eternity. I mean, I think some of the team work with the game's dev team to make the voices and one of the stretch goal of the latest PoE kickstarter was a RPG book of the setting, but was only half finished.

Now, knowing that both CR and PoE were big kickstarters in their own domain, I think that a PoE rpg driven by CR would be a good thing. This could draw some video gamer to the tabletop and vice versa.
 

Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
They could, but why would they? They can sell books for D&D, without paying WOTC a dime for the license. Let WOTC do the heavy lifting on RPG design, and initial branding and R&D, and just publish books for it.
 

Prakriti

Hi, I'm a Mindflayer, but don't let that worry you
I can't see them doing this. It seems like a bad business idea.

Also, it would kill any good-will I have toward the show, and I'm sure a lot of other people (WotC included) would feel the same way.
 

robus

Lowcountry Low Roller
Supporter
This seems like a really strange way to proceed. They’re making a ton of money in the virtuous cycle that D&D provides. Their live shows are huge, they sell a ton of merch and people are learning how to play the game. Creating a new RPG risks fragmenting the fan base (and potentially failing - designing RPGs is hard as WotC will attest...)

I just don’t get it. They’re on a roll (role?) so what on earth would make them want to put an obstacle in the road? Now if WotC screws up 6e then perhaps Matt could release a 5e Mercer Ed to rescue all the unhappy players (effectively becoming the new Paizo) that might work, but rolling a new RPG just for the hell of it? Bizarre.

And you think my idea for Paizo to republish their adventures for 5e is crazy... :D
 

G

Guest 6801328

Guest
They could publish an SRD-compliant variant (e.g. Adventures in Middle-Earth) with subclasses, feats, spells, monsters, etc. So the show would still be 5e-based, but all the groupies would want their rulebook.
 


The current situation is much more favorable in my opinion. Both Critical Role and WOTC are riding upon each other to create a synergistic explosion of creativity and cooperation, such that there is more freedom given to third party content creators. As consumers, we stand to benefit a great deal from an ongoing and trusting partnership between Critical Role and WOTC.

If Critical Role pulls another Pathfinder on WOTC, it might make them seriously gun shy in the future to the point where overly controlling access to the game hinders third party content creators. Even Critical Role itself might be similarly gun shy, since it pulled the exact same tactic on WOTC to establish itself. And as a whole, the entire hobby could be weakened. :erm:
 

Azzy

KMF DM
They could, but why? They could also put out SRD compliant accesories and it would be an easier sell to their gamer audience that have already invested in 5e and CR's own setting book (and not have to do the work of creating a new system). Heck, they could put out SRD & PRD compliant material and capture both 5e & Pathfinder fans.
 

S'mon

Legend
I think if they went over to playing a homebrew it would hurt both Critical Role and D&D. Both would make less money. Sales of the homebrew system would not make up for loss of viewers.

Currently there is a beneficial synergy and they would be wise to stick with what they're doing.
 

sim-h

Explorer
I feel like if there was even a sniff of this brewing, WotC would head it off at the pass with some sort of counter-offer involving a large purse of moneys in order to stay with D&D 5e...all behind the scenes of course
 

Doc_Klueless

Doors and Corners
They could, sure, and I think it would be successful.

I just don't think they'd want to. They look like great big D&D fans and they really, really enjoy playing D&D.
 

Hussar

Legend
There's another point here.

Is it worth it for them? I mean, how much money would they actually make doing so? IOW, what's the point in being top dog in the RPG industry?

Now, if the RPG industry were the size of, say, the TCG industry, then that changes things considerably.
 


Aldarc

Legend
I feel like if there was even a sniff of this brewing, WotC would head it off at the pass with some sort of counter-offer involving a large purse of moneys in order to stay with D&D 5e...all behind the scenes of course
Seems like a good reason to do it then. ;)
 

akr71

Hero
They could and it would be successful, but I'm not sure they will. I think there is more money to be made publishing Exandria campaign guides and adventures.
 

Jacob Lewis

Ye Olde GM
"Where a bunch of us nerdy-ass voice actors used to play Dungeons and Dragons, now we play something else just like it but with rules you may not be familiar with." Just doesn't have the same ring to it.
 

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