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Fenmarel
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hmm........where to begin?
No where have I stated this would be a quick fix nor do I believe it would be so. There are no such things in life as quick fixes.
JeaJea actually I wasn't speaking of your characters when I made the comment about gods or their avatars. Actually I was talking about three characters that when I talked to them were inspired by some post on the D&D boards concerning how powerful avatars are and all happened to pick Tymora for some odd reason. Later there was an avatar of Torm, Helm, Cyric, Corellon Larethian.....hmm just realized how many there was and decided to leave off there as an example.
As Ssussunriyh(hope I got that right can't even pronounce it lol) said we do suffer a similiar fate to the Endowment for the Arts. With no structuring you get a WIDE mix of ideas of what individuals view as "art", most of which by popular opinion of the majority falls into the bad or crap category.
Saying that stricter enforcement is going to limit the sale of a product is as absurd as a few of you think my ideas are. The players that wish to truly buy a product aren't going to run away when they see a site is run by the rules of their game. They will observe and ask questions concerning the setting or the game mechanics or any other question concerning the game. Either they will be interested in it or not as with anything else. Seeing a product in use is a marketing strategy that has been in use since man first started to trade, barter or sell things. Would you as a consumer buy something if you had no clue what it was for, what its limitations are or what other consumers feel about the product? To point this down a marketing road isn't a good way to prove a point. I know for a fact that more people have purchased WotC products from viewing their respective boards then the chat site where people can roleplay and not use them. How can WotC sell anything from a RP site that doesn't even use it's own game as a basis? Name alone? When WotC bought out TSR only one member of our gaming group knew the company and any of its products. The rp site does didly for sales, what makes their sales is advertisement and the gimicks of changing little things in a game and reselling the core books over again. The RP site since it is Free Form Role Play doesn't advertise any of the WotC products(notice I said the RP site the Live room frequently has involved discussions on the games they have and authors for the various settings visit to have discussions about the new products in the other OOC rooms).
Yes in the books it says the rules are guidelines for the game. I don't play by every single rule or optional rule in the books, some of the optional rules don't have a place in my game and some of the standard rules contradict themselves later with another rule or guideline. Though I believe that when you get a game then throw away ALL of the rules you aren't playing the game at all. Instead you have kindergarden romp-a-room though with weapons and spells. That addage in the books isn't meant to have players throw away all of the guidelines but to mold the guidelines to fit their particular gaming needs and desires. Though when they have the D&D tournaments you don't see them tossing rules aside but adhere to them and most of the players have a splendid time.
To clear somethings up here......
I am not the type of player that ignores certain players because of the races,classes or lack of knowledge of D&D. I've RPed with self professed experts of the game right along with players that the only thing they have heard about D&D is that it is a game of devil worshippering, family sacrificing wackos. I've had many pleasant and unpleasant experiences with BOTH groups of players. If I was that type of player I would never interact with certain devils, demons, vampires(or versions of them), liches, dragons or even a few of the god characters. I am able to (unlike a few players) set aside my particular feelings and roleplay with many different types of players or characters. Yes I have an elitist attitude towards D&D but at least I can set my views aside and roleplay with people that don't know the game or have a style of rp that I don't particularly like or people that rp with certain players that I am not fond of.
I was thinking the very same thing. It seems that is exactly what is wanted, the freedom to play what ever you idea you have no matter how absurd it is simply because you can.
I made a reply on the Rules and Regs boards that perhaps having something pop up now and then with links to the settings could help with newer players and those that refuse to use IE or Netscape and can't see the banner links. I sincerely believe(my one time being optimistic for the year) that much of the things that go on are due to ignorance of the setting they are playing in.
No where have I stated this would be a quick fix nor do I believe it would be so. There are no such things in life as quick fixes.
JeaJea actually I wasn't speaking of your characters when I made the comment about gods or their avatars. Actually I was talking about three characters that when I talked to them were inspired by some post on the D&D boards concerning how powerful avatars are and all happened to pick Tymora for some odd reason. Later there was an avatar of Torm, Helm, Cyric, Corellon Larethian.....hmm just realized how many there was and decided to leave off there as an example.
As Ssussunriyh(hope I got that right can't even pronounce it lol) said we do suffer a similiar fate to the Endowment for the Arts. With no structuring you get a WIDE mix of ideas of what individuals view as "art", most of which by popular opinion of the majority falls into the bad or crap category.
Saying that stricter enforcement is going to limit the sale of a product is as absurd as a few of you think my ideas are. The players that wish to truly buy a product aren't going to run away when they see a site is run by the rules of their game. They will observe and ask questions concerning the setting or the game mechanics or any other question concerning the game. Either they will be interested in it or not as with anything else. Seeing a product in use is a marketing strategy that has been in use since man first started to trade, barter or sell things. Would you as a consumer buy something if you had no clue what it was for, what its limitations are or what other consumers feel about the product? To point this down a marketing road isn't a good way to prove a point. I know for a fact that more people have purchased WotC products from viewing their respective boards then the chat site where people can roleplay and not use them. How can WotC sell anything from a RP site that doesn't even use it's own game as a basis? Name alone? When WotC bought out TSR only one member of our gaming group knew the company and any of its products. The rp site does didly for sales, what makes their sales is advertisement and the gimicks of changing little things in a game and reselling the core books over again. The RP site since it is Free Form Role Play doesn't advertise any of the WotC products(notice I said the RP site the Live room frequently has involved discussions on the games they have and authors for the various settings visit to have discussions about the new products in the other OOC rooms).
Yes in the books it says the rules are guidelines for the game. I don't play by every single rule or optional rule in the books, some of the optional rules don't have a place in my game and some of the standard rules contradict themselves later with another rule or guideline. Though I believe that when you get a game then throw away ALL of the rules you aren't playing the game at all. Instead you have kindergarden romp-a-room though with weapons and spells. That addage in the books isn't meant to have players throw away all of the guidelines but to mold the guidelines to fit their particular gaming needs and desires. Though when they have the D&D tournaments you don't see them tossing rules aside but adhere to them and most of the players have a splendid time.
To clear somethings up here......
I am not the type of player that ignores certain players because of the races,classes or lack of knowledge of D&D. I've RPed with self professed experts of the game right along with players that the only thing they have heard about D&D is that it is a game of devil worshippering, family sacrificing wackos. I've had many pleasant and unpleasant experiences with BOTH groups of players. If I was that type of player I would never interact with certain devils, demons, vampires(or versions of them), liches, dragons or even a few of the god characters. I am able to (unlike a few players) set aside my particular feelings and roleplay with many different types of players or characters. Yes I have an elitist attitude towards D&D but at least I can set my views aside and roleplay with people that don't know the game or have a style of rp that I don't particularly like or people that rp with certain players that I am not fond of.
As for stifling creativity, should creativity be encouraged to the point of being done with a total lack of self-restraint? Because I have seen some characters and events that go way beyond the merely unusual, into the patently absurd...
I was thinking the very same thing. It seems that is exactly what is wanted, the freedom to play what ever you idea you have no matter how absurd it is simply because you can.
I made a reply on the Rules and Regs boards that perhaps having something pop up now and then with links to the settings could help with newer players and those that refuse to use IE or Netscape and can't see the banner links. I sincerely believe(my one time being optimistic for the year) that much of the things that go on are due to ignorance of the setting they are playing in.