D&D (2024) D&D 2024 PHB errata thread +

[Charlaquin]

Currently the Most Evil Spell in D&D:
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Fabricate [ Pg 271 PHB.24 ]
Level 4 Transmutation( Wizard )
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: 120 feet
Components: V, S
Duration: Instantaneous

You convert raw materials into products of the same
material.

Creatures and magic items can't be created by
this spell. You also can't use it to create items that
require a high degree of skill -- such as weapons and
armor -- unless you have proficiency with the type of
Artisan's Tools used to craft such objects.


Artisan's Tools:
Cook's Utensils (1 GP) [ Pg 220 PHB.24 ]
Craft: Rations


A cannibal wizard with Fabricate and Cook's Utensils can
now kill anything in the game. As long as the wizard gets
within 120ft and chants for 10 minutes.

That ancient red dragon... poof... dragon heart rations
An annoying quickling..... poof... quickling quiche

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How about a Dwarven Demolition Team
A group of dwarves walk up to a castle wall and begin chanting.
An entire section of a cave/castle/bridge disappears.

That magic item you have... well it just turned into an iron
bar. The spell doesn't say you can't change a creature or
magical item into something useless, it just says you can't
make a creature or magical item; meaning the spell disenchants
magical items since the components can't be magical.

This spell needs an errata.

Any DM who considers a living dragon “raw materials” is inviting these shenanigans. Also, any player who manages to spend 100 straight rounds using the Magic action within 120 feet of a living ancient red dragon completely undisturbed has more than earned that kill. Would have been way easier to kill it with weapons and actual offensive spells.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Any DM who considers a living dragon “raw materials” is inviting these shenanigans. Also, any player who manages to spend 100 straight using the Magic action within 120 feet of a living ancient red dragon completely undisturbed has more than earned that kill. Would have been way easier to kill it with weapons and actual offensive spells.

I'm now imagining Bilbo's encounter with Smaug in an entirely different light...

"What are you doing now? I can't see you, but I can sense you're up to something..."
"Oh nothing at all. Just admiring you, O Great One!"

Bilbo small talks Smaug for 10 minutes, and then it's suddenly dragon burgers for everyone!

 

[Charlaquin]

I'm now imagining Bilbo's encounter with Smaug in an entirely different light...

"What are you doing now? I can't see you, but I can sense you're up to something..."
"Oh nothing at all. Just admiring you, O Great One!"

Bilbo small talks Smaug for 10 minutes, and then it's suddenly dragon burgers for everyone!

Also in this hypothetical Billbo picked up 7 levels of Wizard at some point.

 

[Xetheral]

Any DM who considers a living dragon “raw materials” is inviting these shenanigans. Also, any player who manages to spend 100 straight rounds using the Magic action within 120 feet of a living ancient red dragon completely undisturbed has more than earned that kill. Would have been way easier to kill it with weapons and actual offensive spells.

A bunch of dragons aren't proficient in either Arcana or Insight. There are many reasons a dragon would want you to cast Fabricate for it, and if you roll well on deception it may have no way of knowing what you're actually trying to fabricate.

 

[Demetrios1453]

Also in this hypothetical Billbo picked up 7 levels of Wizard at some point.

19th level Rogue - Arcane Trickster. After all he did up to that point, he had gained a lot of XP! But he never really explored the magic-using side of the subclass.

Or a 13th level Rogue - Thief (which is far more likely, obviously, and actually pretty realistic), and he had "borrowed" a scroll of the spell from Gandalf (Bilbo was testing out just how good his nice new shiny ring was in keeping him invisible). One Use Magic Device later...

(This now brings up the image of Gandalf and the others attacking the Necromancer/Sauron, and for some reason, it's absolutely necessary for him to use that scroll, and suddenly he can't find it!)

 

[Chaosmancer]

Fabricate was never used in the way I have stated, because they changed the wording in PHB.24 as Puk agreed, earlier.

It is a clearly written spell in PHB.14 as far as I can see.
As a counter example, in PHB.14 you could make a polearm strike and get a bonus attack, drop the weapon, and attack with a second weapon..... How do you take a bonus attack strike with a polearm you dropped?
PHB.24 clearly changed the wording that the Bonus Attack must come "immediately after" the attack that gets it.
This means they saw weapon swapping to not be possible before the bonus attack is taken.

There are two places in PHB.24 where the Bonus Attack is required to happen immediately after. This is another clarification that needs to be stated in my opinion.

Well, as you stated it here, you attack with the polearm, bonus action attack, drop the polearm, use a second weapon. So the answer to how you could take the bonus action attack is... because you had not dropped the weapon yet.

And on top of me having no idea how you could make that a problem, "I make the bonus action attack as part of picking the weapon back up" is a viable answer is someone were trying to be cinematic. Or if you are saying that they take the bonus action attack with the second weapon, then maybe it is part of drawing a different polearm, that could work to if someone was being fancy.

But, again... why should we even care? The specific order of the attacks doesn't really matter 90% of the time.

 

[Chaosmancer]

Any DM who considers a living dragon “raw materials” is inviting these shenanigans. Also, any player who manages to spend 100 straight rounds using the Magic action within 120 feet of a living ancient red dragon completely undisturbed has more than earned that kill. Would have been way easier to kill it with weapons and actual offensive spells.

Oh yeah, forgot Fabricate has a long cast time. That does make the complaint even sillier.

 

[mellored]

Can someone check Blinding Smite to see if saves at the end of their turn?

Treantmonk's video says "on their turn". But that might be his mistake.

 

[Nikosandros]

Can someone check Blinding Smite to see if saves at the end of their turn?

Treantmonk's video says "on their turn". But that might be his mistake.

The target saves at the end of its turn.

 

[Lanefan]

I am not saying it wouldn't be ruled that way. However, to the cannibal, you are just a really fresh food source. Do you agree that a tree is just as alive and impossible to transmute as the non-dead humanoid?

How complex does something have to be to not be a component? A stack of blocks making a wall is just a stack of raw components to a dwarf. How complex is too complex for a component? We need a definition or rule.

Secondly, a cow to my fire-challenged friends is just a steak that is still moving. When you cook a live lobster which is a component, it is still alive. Living or Dead isn't a clear-cut way of defining a component.

For the purposes of this spell, the delineation between living and dead would serve as a fine starting point: raw materials must be dead. Want wood? You gotta chop the trees down first.

As for raw materials already in use for something else (as in the marble-block wall example), that's trickier; and probably a DM's call to make. One way to avoid the destroy-a-castle exploit might be to have it that the raw materials cannot themselves be part of something bigger (which also rules out using bedrock, you'd have to break it down the hard way).