D&D and the rising pandemic

[CapnZapp]

And that (protection against hospitalization) is near 100% against the baseline strain from every vaccine.

That's my point!

Throwing around numbers like 86% only make people go "waitaminit - 92 is larger than 86 so I refuse the 86 vaccine, I must have the 92 one!"

A much more useful bit of consumer information is "all vaccines are 99%"!

Note: this is more of a worldwide perspective. In the U.S. you basically only use the two effective ones, so there this particular point is moot. (Instead you have fools refusing vaccines altogether, which is a different story)

But in lots of countries, it's just tragic to see people refusing a vaccine because of its effectiveness against infection when it is its effectiveness against severe disease that to me is entirely obviously the much more relevant number.

 

[Ryujin]

Not sure if you intended to continue my argument only to immediately undercut it, by doing exactly what I argued against, which is to discuss other stuff than what I brought up... but let me do that thing too:

You are exactly right except herd immunity is probably just an illusion and the important number overall for me is the percentage of not getting hospitalized, not getting a hose shoved down my throat, not being put in a medical coma, and not dying.

You assume this disease is going away which it most likely is not, and we will have to keep getting vaccinated for the foreseeable future. So... to make my point again: it is the percentage against severe disease and death we should be discussing.

Nope, that's not what I'm thinking about at all. I suspect that this will be around, at least for a while. What I am considering, however, is that the variants so far appear to be handled by the vaccines, to a greater or lesser degree. Getting to herd immunity means that we might be able to kill this thing off, in the long term, in the same way that Smallpox isn't exactly common anymore. That the severity of the disease is reduced, also, is a handy byproduct.

 

[CapnZapp]

Nope, that's not what I'm thinking about at all. I suspect that this will be around, at least for a while. What I am considering, however, is that the variants so far appear to be handled by the vaccines, to a greater or lesser degree. Getting to herd immunity means that we might be able to kill this thing off, in the long term, in the same way that Smallpox isn't exactly common anymore. That the severity of the disease is reduced, also, is a handy byproduct.

Sharply reducing cases is obviously a good thing, not least because it gives the virus fewer opportunities to mutate.

But getting there will not happen quickly. I mean, when do you think 80-90% of Africa is vaccinated? (Heck, when do you think 80-90% of America is?!)

And for the record - "Never" is one depressingly likely answer. So...

The number I want to focus on is the protection against severe disease

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't want the AZ one but I don't think we're using it anyway.

Never really been worried about getting sick even a year ago it's everything else that I was worried about (others getting sick, collapse etc).

Planned trip to Europe probably canceled permeantly as there's going to be a few who don't vaccinate.

 

[Hussar]

Never minding things like private schools in Miami. :/

Miami private school won't employ teachers who get the Covid-19 vaccine

Centner Academy is basing its decision on information that has already been debunked.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NotAYakk]

AZ vaccine is less dangerous than driving to work.

Never minding things like private schools in Miami. :/

Miami private school won't employ teachers who get the Covid-19 vaccine

Centner Academy is basing its decision on information that has already been debunked.

www.nbcnews.com

The derp is strong

 

[Istbor]

You know... while I am loving, LOVING not going on FaceBook anymore. I do unfortunately miss out on things like, people believing vaccines can be 'shed' onto other people.

That's like the craziest thing I have heard.

 

[Umbran]

I don't want the AZ one but I don't think we're using it anyway.

Because of blood clots? This displays the usual human failure to understand risk.

The AZ vaccine was associated with one death per million uses.

In 2018 in New Zealand, driving led to about 8 deaths for every 100,000 people. Ergo, driving is 80 times more likely to kill you than the AZ vaccine. But you still drive, right?

 

[NotAYakk]

Because of blood clots? This displays the usual human failure to understand risk.

The AZ vaccine was associated with one death per million uses.

In 2018 in New Zealand, driving led to about 8 deaths for every 100,000 people. Ergo, driving is 80 times more likely to kill you than the AZ vaccine. But you still drive, right?

To be fair, you spend more time driving than getting injected.

In a week, driving (or walking near a road) is only 1.5x deadlier than getting the AZ vaccine. Less so if you aren't a 17 year old male, who drive up the driving death rates.

OTOH, AZ vaccine gives you a superpower. Driving just gets you groceries.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

Just got my second Pfizer shot on Monday. Tuesday was spent feeling like hot garbage. Today, I'm just tepid garbage. Worth it, though.