D&D Movie/TV D&D Movie Hit or Flop?

[mamba]

2000 movie lost less money.

it also cost a third, that helps

 

[mamba]

I do not believe that the 2000 movie was a bad movie only because of the budget but because the people in charge of the movie lacked skill and experience. Better script and better direction would have gone a long way. It was not a bad movie because it looked cheap but because the dialog, plot and direction were crap.

and how do you get skilled, experienced scriptwriters, and a good story that is not limited by a small budget?

There can be hits with a small budget, but they by and large do not need elaborate set pieces in a fictional world.

 

[MwaO]

I'd just note they're doing a bit better than how the movie they've been directly competing with domestic numbers-wise did at the same set of weeks — a week is not a trend, but they might beat out Dumbledore in domestic revenue if it keeps up, maybe hit $100M. On the other hand, international revenue's barely above domestic where Dumbledore got into likely profit by tripling domestic.

Movie Comparison: Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (2023) vs. Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)

Domestic box office comparison between Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (2023) and Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022)

www.the-numbers.com

 

[Zardnaar]

This could only be true if you were to consider Box Office to be the only source of income available to the movie.
We know that's unfactual.


You got your win on the box office loss, but you still insist on repeating untruths

I posted a link earlier of what drives steaming success. It's going on there own service. Normally you make a movie and license it out bigger the movie more money.

They're putting it on their own service (paying themselves?) and without that first click metric it's virtually impossible to work out how much money it will make.

If it gets a lot of views it's presumably keeping established subscribers happy.

Also posted links on how movies make their money on streaming. If it wasn't going to Paramont being a flop it would most likely get bundled with other movies and they go for 3-5 million each.

I've been consistent it might make money on VOD/streaming but it's very unlikely. Studios tried VOD for example during the pandemic and made a fraction of the box office while people were in lock downs.

One way or another someone's losing 100 odd million idk how that's split between Paramont and Hasbro.

 

[Zardnaar]

and how do you get skilled, experienced scriptwriters, and a good story that is not limited by a small budget?

There can be hits with a small budget, but they by and large do not need elaborate set pieces in a fictional world.

Scripts are fairly cheap unless you're buying a big IP rights.

Shadow and Bone cost 60 odd million season 1. First John Wick was 14 million.

On its current box office they needed to spend no more than 60-80 million.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Scripts are fairly cheap unless you're buying a big IP rights.

Shadow and Bone cost 60 odd million season 1. First John Wick was 14 million.

On its current box office they needed to spend no more than 60-80 million.

Getting the budget that low will likely be difficult. Chris Pine is asking for $13 million for Star Trek 4.

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While he may not be be asking for that much for a D&D sequel his salary alone would likely take up a big chunk of a $60-80 million sequel.

 

[mamba]

Scripts are fairly cheap unless you're buying a big IP rights.

the script itself, yes, but the set pieces the script demands not so much

Shadow and Bone cost 60 odd million season 1. First John Wick was 14 million.

and John Wick did not have expensive sets

Even Shadow and Bone is mostly people talking in costume (but of course they have to fill more hours)

On its current box office they needed to spend no more than 60-80 million.

yeah, and then we are back at 2000 level budget, adjusted for inflation. Even the current movie was called out for some bad effects, I don’t see half the budget faring any better, unless you drastically reduce the set / effects requirements (and/or cast newcomers). Either way it is an uphill battle, but so would be a second 200M movie

 

[UngainlyTitan]

and how do you get skilled, experienced scriptwriters, and a good story that is not limited by a small budget?

There can be hits with a small budget, but they by and large do not need elaborate set pieces in a fictional world.

Yet people do it all the time. Small, or at least smaller budget movies are a thing as are ones with a good script. I do not believe that Courtney Soloman at time would have been able to recognise one or direct one if he had one. A lot of the scene are, to put it kindly, somewhat lacking.

 

[CommodoreKong]

Yet people do it all the time. Small, or at least smaller budget movies are a thing as are ones with a good script. I do not believe that Courtney Soloman at time would have been able to recognise one or direct one if he had one. A lot of the scene are, to put it kindly, somewhat lacking.

Yeah tons of lower budget movies get made all the time but due to the fantasy nature of D&D it would be difficult since you got a wide variety of species, the need for fairly unique locations/environments/costumes (compared to a movie set in the modern day) and stuff like magic. Sure you could really limit that but then what would be the point? Might as well make something set in the modern day that would be cheaper.

It could be done but it would be hard to do well with D&D and not feel cheap or cheesy. I'm guessing Paramount is looking for big box office franchises to compete with Disney, WB and Sony and frankly I imagine a low budget D&D movie would still need a fairly big marketing spend, and who knows how an audience would react to really squeezing the budget on a sequel.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Merch is apparently still doing great. So I doubt this movie is a loss.

Show is still being made.