Daggerheart General Thread [+]

[Vael]

Yeah, Eberron as a setting can support a lot of campaign options, it's one of the things I find so compelling about it. To the point where campaign frames are a good way to focus and limit the scope of an actual Eberron campaign.

Unfortunately, Keith does not own Eberron, so any official Daggerheart support for Eberron would have to be done with WotC's permission. So I don't see one coming anytime soon.

 

[Reynard]

There is a bit of that in this video. Baker talks about how potentially multiple campaign frames would be required for playing Eberron with Daggerheart depending on the focus you want for your campaign.

I expect this to be the tact going forward with full campaign settings: any given campaign setting will have multiple campaign frames using that setting. For example, the Eberron one would (theoretically) have frames built around Sharn Inquisitives, Mournland scavengers, and Xendric explorers.

 

[Kichwas]

Who’s “they” here? Darrington? Sure, that would get side eye. But free fan content is obviously okay. Todd, of course he could. Keith, of course he could. Keith’s blog and podcast have done conversions for other systems before.

Yeah.

Sword of Shannara exists after all. It’s often described as Lord of the Rings with the serial numbers filed off and the logo slightly changed.
- It’s that Roelexx watch you bought at the flea market for $19.99.

Brooks actually wrote it as a post apocalypse SciFi story and what we got was after Del Rey got his hands on it as editor and sent it back for rewrites until it was basically 1 inch past the line of plagiarism…

(Makes you feel for whatever nightmare they forced Brooks through to get that result.)

But the point being that if they want to make Aberon - a setting about Clanks… they can. We’ll know… but it will still sell.

 

[zakael19]

Yeah.

Sword of Shannara exists after all. It’s often described as Lord of the Rings with the serial numbers filed off and the logo slightly changed.
- It’s that Roelexx watch you bought at the flea market for $19.99.

Brooks actually wrote it as a post apocalypse SciFi story and what we got was after Del Rey got his hands on it as editor and sent it back for rewrites until it was basically 1 inch past the line of plagiarism…

(Makes you feel for whatever nightmare they forced Brooks through to get that result.)

But the point being that if they want to make Aberon - a setting about Clanks… they can. We’ll know… but it will still sell.

Ooof, I didn't know that about SoS (they're...not good).

 

[Kichwas]

Ooof, I didn't know that about SoS (they're...not good).

There’s a fascinating video on the history of Del Ret and modern fantasy.

Del Rey both made and destroyed the fantasy genre at the same time by forcing all authors to adhere to a very strict formula and then getting their books to sell even as far as in grocery store checkout lines.

A lot of conventions we think of as fantasy were nothing more than items from his checklist formula to get books to sell to who he decided was the target demographic.

Before him - Fantasy of the 1970s and prior was wild stuff with all kinds of thought experiments.

After him it starts to look like somebody’s D&D session logs.

Brooke’s novel SoS was originally old school - a magic distant future after the apocalypse with a blend if tech and sorcery.

For some reason he became the test case for putting an author through the wringer to see if the formula would sell… and it did… so Del Rey kept at it and even to this day the genre has formulas publishers expect writers to adhere to, though the specifics have evolved. They often evolve as anti-lists of opposites of last year’s formula.

We know in tRPGs that people tend to buy the settings that ate more familiar than the weirder ones and Eberrron is probably the most “off script” someone has managed to get and still be a top seller.

That said I do not want to see “Aberron; a world of Clanks”… ;(

I’d prefer to see those same authors stretch their creative wings again.

 

[Agamon]

There’s a fascinating video on the history of Del Ret and modern fantasy.

Del Rey both made and destroyed the fantasy genre at the same time by forcing all authors to adhere to a very strict formula and then getting their books to sell even as far as in grocery store checkout lines.

A lot of conventions we think of as fantasy were nothing more than items from his checklist formula to get books to sell to who he decided was the target demographic.

Before him - Fantasy of the 1970s and prior was wild stuff with all kinds of thought experiments.

After him it starts to look like somebody’s D&D session logs.

Brooke’s novel SoS was originally old school - a magic distant future after the apocalypse with a blend if tech and sorcery.

For some reason he became the test case for putting an author through the wringer to see if the formula would sell… and it did… so Del Rey kept at it and even to this day the genre has formulas publishers expect writers to adhere to, though the specifics have evolved. They often evolve as anti-lists of opposites of last year’s formula.

We know in tRPGs that people tend to buy the settings that ate more familiar than the weirder ones and Eberrron is probably the most “off script” someone has managed to get and still be a top seller.

That said I do not want to see “Aberron; a world of Clanks”… ;(

I’d prefer to see those same authors stretch their creative wings again.

It wouldn't have to be that obvious. It's very easy to see what the current frames are homages to, even without reading the Touchstones.