Damage type of Sneak Attack/Warlock's Curse/Hunter's Quarry

[Seelenquell]

Hi,
I am considering the Feat Warrior of the Wild for my Elven Cleric. Now I was wondering, what type of damage Hunter's Quarry deals, say, when I use it in conjunction with Lance of faith, which deals radiant damage.
Would it also be radiant, or something untyped ?

1) 1d8+WIS+1d6 radiant damage ?
2) 1d8+WIS radiant damage +1d6 don't-know-what damage ?

Thanks in advance !
Seelenquell

 

[Kalbutt]

Good question...
RAW it says 'extra damage' so it would be logical to apply the same type of damage as the 'normal' damage of your power (and weapon).
Up to that point we played that way without actually thinking.

The other way would be to force untyped damage for all extra damage.

 

[Seelenquell]

Customer Service responded with this:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us. The extra damage from Hunter's Quarry is untyped damage. As per page 276 in the Players Handbook, if a damage type is not specified the damage has no type. I hope this information is useful. Please let me know if you need anymore help!

Good Gaming!

Marc
Online Response Crew

That seems to be right.

 

[Sunglare]

That didn't seemt o answer you question at all. He didn't mention what the damage is considered when being used in conjunction with a power.
if a rogue uses a activated flaming dagger and sneak attacks with it isn't all that damage fire damage?

If you keep SA/HQ/WC seperate damage from the type of damage your using from your powers then your opening up a can of trouble there when it comes to resistances.

A wizard with the Rogue Multi class feat cast a Ray of frost at white dragon and by-passes the dragons resistance because the sneak attack damage is "other?"????? Just doesn't seem right because you need to have resistance for both types of damage if an attack has more then one.

SA/HQ/WC is part of the attack and would use the type of damage the power is.

All the CS proved was that Hunter's query damage is non-type damage normally which is a given anyways.

 

[Ryujin]

Then quote the damage separately from the power's type, because having 'untyped' damage is beneficial. Unless the opponent has a blanket resistance, it isn't reduced. Say you're using an attack power that does 2d8+CHA fire damage (CHA bonus is 2) on a creature that has resist 10 (fire). You roll minimum damage of 4 on the power, but the Hunter's Quarry die comes up a 6. You do 7 damage (no less than one after applying resistance), rather than one.

 

[DracoSuave]

1) Resistance can, in fact, reduce damage to zero.

2) You're right about the rest of it tho.

 

[Ryujin]

1) Resistance can, in fact, reduce damage to zero.

2) You're right about the rest of it tho.

Sorry, you're right. "can't do less than zero damage" is the statement.

 

[Seelenquell]

Sorry, I forgot to post the question to CS:

Hi,
I am considering the feat Warrior of the Wild for my Elven Cleric and I was wondering
what type of damage the extra damage from Hunter's Quarry is.

Say, I use Lance of Faith in conjunction with Hunter's Quarry, would the cleric deal 1d8+WIS+1d6 radiant damage, or 1d8+WIS radiant damage plus 1d6 don't-know-what damage ?

If it doesn't use the damage type of the power used, what type of damage is it ?

Where in the rulebooks can I find my answer ?

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us. The extra damage from Hunter's Quarry is untyped damage. As per page 276 in the Players Handbook, if a damage type is not specified the damage has no type. I hope this information is useful. Please let me know if you need anymore help!

Good Gaming!

So CS is referring to a question about HQ when used with a typed power.
I can see your points, it seems more reasonably to think, that a ranged radiant power just makes more radiant damage with HQ. But it could end up better for the player to handle it seperately.
I hate it, when I have a question that isn't covered by the rulebooks.

Thanks for the responses!

 

[Black Knight Irios]

So it seems like a bit more book keeping.
But I think it won't slow down your games in most cases.

 

[CapnZapp]

I thought the game didn't consider separate "bits" of damage anymore?

That all damage was summed, and then any damage types was just added onto that?

For example: if I somehow make an attack consisting of 1d8+4 fire damage, 1d6 untyped damage, and 2 points of radiant damage, and rolled a seven and a one on the dice, that would simply become 7+4+1+2=14 points of radiant fire damage, subject to whatever resistances and vulnerabilities the target has?

If the foe has Resist 10 Radiant then only 4 points of damage goes through.
If the foe has Vulnerable 10 Radiant then 24 points of damage it is.

Yes? No?