Demon Lords

[Shemeska]

Ditto on the renaming stuff and the blood war.

That existed before Planescape. Baatezu and Tanar'ri first appear in a pre-Planescape 2e book (Monstrous Compendium: Outer Planes Appendix) as well as the idea of the Blood War.

Planescape was handed that and took what was originally a pretty shifty reasoning for the changes and made them into something bloody brilliantly inspired in how they developed them.

 

[BOZ]

in all fairness... the demons and devils were renamed about three years before planescape, as part of the whole 2E "let's forget we ever had anything called demons and devils". planescape was stuck with "baatezu" and "tanar'ri", and they did the best they could with what they had.

Edit: what Shemeshka said.

 

[BOZ]

found this item in my Dragon index thread:

270 - Brazen bull (Armor of the Abyssal Lords, Paul Fraser)

anyone care to enlighten?


also, this item might be useful to the archdemons:

233 - Tanar'ri living fortresses (Fiendish Fortresses, Monte Cook)

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Oh, sorry for the confusion. I didn't do 2e so I lump PS and 2e stuff in the same boat frequently since PS was a setting for 2e and all that. My bad. But in any event I find the concept of the blood war kind of silly.

 

[BOZ]

i'm sure it wasn't the designers' first choice of what to do. most likely, it was kind of "well, legal dept./management says we can't use demons and devils as-is. but if we change them just enough, maybe we can get by that..."

 

[Sammael]

found this item in my Dragon index thread:



anyone care to enlighten?

IIRC (and I do have the issue... somewhere) Brazen Bull was one of the several suits of armor supposedly crafted by/for Abyssal Lords. Needless to say, that one was connected to Baphomet. The article also detailed armors (not all of them were very armor-like, actually) comissioned by Pazuzu, Lolth, Orcus, Fraz'urbluu, and Yeenoghu, plus a set of bracers (Pelargic Aegis or something) that wasn't attributed to any particular lord.

 

[BOZ]

wicked cool!

 

[Alzrius]

The article also detailed armors (not all of them were very armor-like, actually) comissioned by Pazuzu, Lolth, Orcus, Fraz'urbluu, and Yeenoghu, plus a set of bracers (Pelargic Aegis or something) that wasn't attributed to any particular lord.

I don't recall the bracers, but I recall there was one flame-themed armor that wasn't attributed to a lord in particular, citing that no one knew who it was made by/for. Personally, I thought it was Alzrius.

 

[Erik Mona]

I wrote an article on Abyssal magic items that appeared in Polyhedron #136 or thereabouts. References to Alzrius and other 2e-era demon princes abound.

--Erik

 

[BOZ]

there you go, Al.