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[stonegod]

Yeah, you probably should have. As to Changelings, I would say that they should not qualify for the benefits by the spirit of the class, though by the exact wording they do.

"By the spirit" of the class, I think they would qualify---the class teaches them to use their subtype beyond what they could before. I think the main balance is level: Druids cannot enter it until 7th, Wizards at 8th or 9th (depending if they take a dip in fighter for the BAB), or most of the monsters until ECL 7/8. So, adding an ECL prereq. for changelings (so a changeling fighter could become a warshapper at 7th or 8th level) would assist in the balancing (i.e., you don't want the 5th level changeling to be a warshaper).

 

[stonegod]

Here are a few pages for those without ECS to get a feeling for the Eberron settings:

What is Eberron?
Gearing Up for Eberron - Article Archive
Complete Eberron Article Archive
WotC Eberron Boards - FAQ for Eberron Newbies

These links would be good to put into one of the LEB sticky threads, me thinks.

 

[Rystil Arden]

"By the spirit" of the class, I think they would qualify---the class teaches them to use their subtype beyond what they could before. I think the main balance is level: Druids cannot enter it until 7th, Wizards at 8th or 9th (depending if they take a dip in fighter for the BAB), or most of the monsters until ECL 7/8. So, adding an ECL prereq. for changelings (so a changeling fighter could become a warshapper at 7th or 8th level) would assist in the balancing (i.e., you don't want the 5th level changeling to be a warshaper).

The spirit of the class is that it used by those who shift shapes to access combat forms. Changelings do not--in fact, they don't gain any abilities from the form shift, so it is used for deception, not combat.

 

[Anti-Sean]

The spirit of the class is that it used by those who shift shapes to access combat forms. Changelings do not--in fact, they don't gain any abilities from the form shift, so it is used for deception, not combat.

You're right - most changelings use their abilities for deception. But given a race with so many unique identities possible for each changeling, I could easily see one/a few changeling(s) of a more martial bent than most honing their abilities in this new and exciting direction. I see the potential problems as being mechanical. They wind up with more than the equivalent of two +4 stat bonus items (which, IIRC, are unnamed bonuses) and fast healing that can be used outside of combat encounters to almost entirely remove the need for clerical attention.

Food for thought!

 

[Rystil Arden]

The Changeling's abilities do not allow them to assume martial capacities of their forms though (for instance, changing to an Orc does not even grant them a bonus to Strength), which is what leads me to believe that the flavour clashes.

fast healing that can be used outside of combat encounters to almost entirely remove the need for clerical attention.

This is a big deal. Fast Healing permanently is a serious problem, which is why the 'Healock' clerical Warlock that is often proposed would be so game-breaking. And yeah, the two +4s are unnamed, but they are less of an issue.

 

[stonegod]

BTW: We need to put in a final on the craft system, as there are already folks in the tavern thread using the LEW Craft System that hasn't fully been approved for LEB (unless I missed an approval somewhere).

On another BTW: Apparently I am daft, but has everyone else thought it is kosher to have someone else scribe the scroll you are scribing?

 

[Bront]

These links would be good to put into one of the LEB sticky threads, me thinks.

Agreed, one of us judges will have to do that.

Speaking of which, welcome Ferrix and Stonegod to the LEB judging staff

 

[Bront]

BTW: We need to put in a final on the craft system, as there are already folks in the tavern thread using the LEW Craft System that hasn't fully been approved for LEB (unless I missed an approval somewhere).

On another BTW: Apparently I am daft, but has everyone else thought it is kosher to have someone else scribe the scroll you are scribing?

It was approved in the initial organization.

The second question makes no sense. Have someone else scribe a scroll for you?

 

[Bront]

Sorry if CW was going to come up for discussion and I jumped the gun, or if I should have started a new thread!

No problem, just start a new thread for it

 

[El Jefe]

It was approved in the initial organization.

The second question makes no sense. Have someone else scribe a scroll for you?

Well, two or more people can work together to make a magic item, right? One guy casts the spells, another provides the gold, everyone chips in on craft points, etc. Well, consider a joint effort to make a scroll...one guy buys the inks, another casts the spells, both contribute craft points, etc. The guy buying the inks doesn't even have to be a caster, does he?