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DOCTOR WHO: "Deep Breath" (SPOILERS)

Morrus

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I don't blame him - I'm sure it's to his personal taste, and he probably never expected it to be more than just a fan-work. It's Moffatt and the production team who thought it was a good idea to put it on TV.

They're right. It's excellent.
 

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Morrus

Well, that was fun
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Re. Missy -- I think she's the Master. After all that "is it time for a female Doctor?" discussion last year, changing the Master's gender would be a bit of an acknowledgement of that.
 

Warunsun

First Post
Liked the new doctor but was generally unimpressed with the episode. Probably holding expectations too high on my part. Looking forward to more however.
 


Crothian

First Post
Is the title some meta reference for the fans to calm down with the new doctor? I know it kind of fits since they held their breathe to fool the clockwork creations but I wonder if there is not some double meaning there. The episode did seem to lecture the fans that this change is an okay one.
 


Dunno why that website thinks that, but it got only 6.8 million. Fairly low. Much less than Smith's opening episode.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/5707035

I'm guessing that huffington's article was dealing with the UK numbers only since it says
viewing figures in the UK were down for Peter Capaldi's debut in 'Doctor Who'.


and

However, these figures do not take into account the other fans heading to cinemas across the globe to watch their favourite show on the big screen.


As for GFR, they cited BBC America,which i'm guessing means here in the US it broke those records.
 

Umbran

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I am not sure about the UK, but in the US there's also gong to be statistics for how many people recorded on a DVR, and there'll be the 3-day total viewing to consider - GFR may have been including those estimates.
 

Morrus

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Yeah, in the UK those will be the overnights. A week later you get the time shifted and iPlayer figures added, which tends to be a 1-2 million boost.

Cinema stuff is cool, but it's pretty small fry, viewer-wise.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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Re. Missy -- I think she's the Master. After all that "is it time for a female Doctor?" discussion last year, changing the Master's gender would be a bit of an acknowledgement of that.

One fanciful idea I've heard is that she is... kind of like the Valeyard. But instead of being a summation of the Doctor's negative aspects, she's his mistakes - and thus "Missy". This ties in with his, 'I've made some mistakes..." line.
 

Morrus

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One fanciful idea I've heard is that she is... kind of like the Valeyard. But instead of being a summation of the Doctor's negative aspects, she's his mistakes - and thus "Missy". This ties in with his, 'I've made some mistakes..." line.

That doesn't appeal to me. I never really liked the idea of the Valeyard, and doing it again but slightly different would irk me.

I'm hoping for a female Master. While the Rani is kind of that, I think changing the Master's gender would be a clever move on their part. They've mentioned a Time Lords like the Corsair changing gender, but it would be a strong precedent to actually do it for a major existing character.
 

Raunalyn

Adventurer
I wasn't really all that impressed with the writing of this episode. However, the acting, particularly by Capaldi, was quite good.

It's a testament to Capaldi's acting chops that, during the episode, you could see the previous Doctors coming through in Capaldi's movements and mannerisms.
 

The_Silversword

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Re: Missy

I think its pretty obvious, she refereed to the Doctor as her boyfriend, and when Clara gets the phone call from the Doctor, The Doctor says, who is it your boyfriend, or something like that, so Missy is obviously Clara from the future or an alternate timeline or something, who else would know about impossible girl, or the T.A.R.D.I.S.'s phone number?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
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Re: Missy

I think its pretty obvious, she refereed to the Doctor as her boyfriend, and when Clara gets the phone call from the Doctor, The Doctor says, who is it your boyfriend, or something like that, so Missy is obviously Clara from the future or an alternate timeline or something, who else would know about impossible girl, or the T.A.R.D.I.S.'s phone number?

Who else would know? Well, the TARDIS itself, for one. It is sentient, and has manifested as a female aspect in the past. River Song is another. I suspect any Time Lord can figure out how to reach the phone in the Doctor's TARDIS easily - and anyone who has studied the Doctor enough to recognize there's this young woman popping up in his timeline repeatedly saving him will figure out her importance. So, again, any Time Lord, or anyone with a lot of information.

The question is who can do it - that can be hand-waved. The question is *why*. Why try to keep Clara and the Doctor together? Find the answer to why, and that will tell you who.
 
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Morrus

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Craploads of people have the TARDIS phone number. Churchill, random Egyptian queens without phones, Martha, UNIT... I suspect it's listed given how popular it is.
 

MarkB

Legend
There's one possibility I'm surprised nobody's suggested yet for Missy: A Time Lady who could very well have survived Gallifrey's time-lock, on account of having been in a different universe when we last saw her, and who spent enough time as the Doctor's close companion that she'd certainly have a reasonable claim on calling him her boyfriend.

Romana.
 


Janx

Hero
There's one possibility I'm surprised nobody's suggested yet for Missy: A Time Lady who could very well have survived Gallifrey's time-lock, on account of having been in a different universe when we last saw her, and who spent enough time as the Doctor's close companion that she'd certainly have a reasonable claim on calling him her boyfriend.

Romana.

I don't know who Rani is, but having read the Douglas Adams book featuring Romana, that's who i assumed it might be.

I never really watched pre-Ecleston Who, so I'm only vaguely familar with Tom Baker (guy with long scarf), and that first doctor with his grand-daughter.
 

Morrus

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I don't know who Rani is, but having read the Douglas Adams book featuring Romana, that's who i assumed it might be.

I never really watched pre-Ecleston Who, so I'm only vaguely familar with Tom Baker (guy with long scarf), and that first doctor with his grand-daughter.

She was a recurring villain, a renegade time lord like the Master. She also featured a T-Rex in one ep, which was growing abnormally. She was responsible for killing the 6th Doctor (Colin Baker), making him regenerate into the 7th (Sylvester McCoy).
 

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