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DOCTOR WHO: "Deep Breath" (SPOILERS)

The_Silversword

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For Missy, I was wondering if she might be Clara actually. Usually I am way off on these predictions though. I explained my reasons HERE along with one other idea.

IM glad im not the only one thinking Clara, but thinking on it some, maybe thats what Moffat wants us to think, arrgghhh, guess, we'll just have to wait and see. After watching the episode again, im wondering if she said im Missy, or Im Miss E?
 

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MarkB

Legend
IM glad im not the only one thinking Clara, but thinking on it some, maybe thats what Moffat wants us to think, arrgghhh, guess, we'll just have to wait and see. After watching the episode again, im wondering if she said im Missy, or Im Miss E?

I wondered the same thing, but it didn't really seem to lead anywhere. I can't think of an existing character whose name begins with E that would be a good fit with what we've seen of "Missy".
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
With today's episode, I like Capaldi more. I can see where they're going with that.

Interesting intro to Danny Pink, the crying soldier.

The Doctor doesn't travel with soldiers, eh?

Missy takes another recently-deceased character who died in the Doctor's presence. Theme starting to appear there.
 

MarkB

Legend
I liked Capaldi's Doctor a lot in the second episode, and the central concept was clever and well done.

I do wish they'd do something new with the Daleks, though. Morally speaking, this episode was treading over exactly the same ground as "Dalek" and "Journey's End".
 

Cergorach

The Laughing One
I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm enjoying Doctor Who (new series) less then I used to.

I think that Capaldi is a good actor, but how the Doctor is now written I like him less. He's a bit Angsty imho... Not what I want in a Doctor Who episode...
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm enjoying Doctor Who (new series) less then I used to.

I think that Capaldi is a good actor, but how the Doctor is now written I like him less. He's a bit Angsty imho... Not what I want in a Doctor Who episode...

Weird. He's the antithesis of angsty! Tennant was a bit angsty; Capaldi is completely anti-angst. His Doctor utterly rejects angst.
 

Cergorach

The Laughing One
Weird. He's the antithesis of angsty! Tennant was a bit angsty; Capaldi is completely anti-angst. His Doctor utterly rejects angst.

The current Doctor seems confused, doesn't know whether he's good or bad (or which of the two he wants to be), doesn't know what he's supposed to do. And while he isn't pacing so much, it does feel like he's all over the place. The Doctor seems lost...
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
The current Doctor seems confused, doesn't know whether he's good or bad (or which of the two he wants to be), doesn't know what he's supposed to do. And while he isn't pacing so much, it does feel like he's all over the place. The Doctor seems lost...

Ah, got it. He asked Clara at one point if he was a good man? Sure, I guess that could be angsty. The other 44 of the 45 minutes were vociferously and determinedly anti-angst, though. At least by my understanding of angst.
 

Ah, got it. He asked Clara at one point if he was a good man? Sure, I guess that could be angsty. The other 44 of the 45 minutes were vociferously and determinedly anti-angst, though. At least by my understanding of angst.

Yeah, I wouldn't use the word angsty. This is definitely a darker doctor but not angsty that I an see. I think some of the earlier doctors would have been much more conflicted what happened with those two soldiers in the Dalek (he didn't seem particularly troubled). I would have expected a little more angst from Smith or tenant in those instances.
 


delericho

Legend
Okay, here's a somewhat out-there theory for the identity of Missy: Susan.

At the moment, the show has something of an old-school vibe going: the Doctor's an older man again, and he's accompanied by a teacher from the Coal Hill School. If Mr Pink joins the team, then it'll be two teachers from that school. In which case, that's pretty much a mirror of the original crew of the TARDIS, with one exception: the Doctor's grand-daughter.

A much more tenuous link... the first Doctor Who story was "An Unearthly Child" and the second introduced the Daleks. Here, the second episode features Daleks, and Michelle Gomez, both here and as Sue White in Green Wing, has a distinctly unearthly manner about her. (Hey, I said it was tenuous!)

About the girlfriend/boyfriend reference: the show definitely has elements of flawed memory about it at the moment - the Doctor has missing/affected memories, the Dalek had such memories. So, if Susan is likewise suffering from memory problems, she could remember they had "a relationship" but not necessarily remember what it was.

But how could she become an antagonist? Well, way back when, the Doctor left her behind and promised that one day he would come back. Obviously, he hasn't, and since then all hell has broken loose with the Time War and other such things. Perhaps she waited several lifetimes, buried David and their children, and eventually decided to go looking.

I still think she's probably the Rani, though. :)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
About the girlfriend/boyfriend reference: the show definitely has elements of flawed memory about it at the moment - the Doctor has missing/affected memories, the Dalek had such memories. So, if Susan is likewise suffering from memory problems, she could remember they had "a relationship" but not necessarily remember what it was.

Even if memory was an issue, I think someone referring to their grandfather as their boyfriend is pretty creepy. I can't see that happening on Doctor Who.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I did notice he refers to the TARDIS as "the time capsule". That's what Hartnell used to call it. And his attitude is *very* early Hartnell. I don't think Hartnell linkage is totally off-base.
 

MarkB

Legend
It's interesting that Missy isn't specifically collecting the Doctor's opponents - she's collecting those who die around him. However, she didn't seem to have collected the first soldier who was killed by the Dalek's eyebots.

If it weren't for that pesky "Did he fall / was he pushed?" question regarding last week's antagonist, we could almost see a theme here of Missy collecting people the Doctor persuades to sacrifice their lives.
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
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It's interesting that Missy isn't specifically collecting the Doctor's opponents - she's collecting those who die around him. However, she didn't seem to have collected the first soldier who was killed by the Dalek's eyebots.

If it weren't for that pesky "Did he fall / was he pushed?" question regarding last week's antagonist, we could almost see a theme here of Missy collecting people the Doctor persuades to sacrifice their lives.

I think it looks like the latter. Which means he jumped. We'll know for sure next week - if somebody sacrificed themself and gets collected by Missy, we'll have our answer!
 

RC Hagy

First Post
I did notice he refers to the TARDIS as "the time capsule". That's what Hartnell used to call it. And his attitude is *very* early Hartnell. I don't think Hartnell linkage is totally off-base.

Very Hartnell. Very... matter of fact. Almost to the point of being dismissive. Capaldi's so far does not seem to feel the need to show off. Quite perfunctory in his speech.
For all intents and purposes the TARDIS is​ a time-capsule. Why go further into it?
Something I noticed/read into... First nano-soldier - Got himself in trouble, here swallow this (stop whining you did it to yourself) and kept working.
Soldier he rescued - Nope, you cannot come along, you are just a soldier.
The Dalek - Could not overcome its base program. Transferred its target, yet, still the usual Dalek. Here the Doctor is disappointed just as much with himself (to me that is) as well as the Dalek for choosing the hate instead of beauty.
Clara - Well... she has apparently proven herself. Gruff with her yes. Seemingly more patient though also.

Now... Gretchen. Soldier (nano). 'Do something good and name it after me'. She puts her faith in the Doctor. Not her role or her training - in him. She gets snatched by Missy.

Which made me think of the clockwork... What if in its own way it put its faith in the Doctor also. In so far as it could overcome its programing, just the tiniest bit, just enough for the Doctor, even though he said he did not believe himself, to help the clockwork along to the 'promised land'.

To sum up, if there is a connection with the Doctor believing you have overcome your programing, training or nature... and these are the ones Missy targets. Then this could become an interesting season. Especially with Mr. Pink.

RCH
 
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RC Hagy

First Post
''Morrus - if somebody sacrificed themself and gets collected by Missy, we'll have our answer!''


Blast you Morrus! Two sentences for what took me a half hour to drag out of my brain and make somewhat coherent!


RCH

Edit: Though I do believe a little more than sacrifice is required. If there is a 'trust/faith' component involved we might even see Clara visit Missy at some point. For there are very few who have as much trust and are willing to sacrifice for the Doctor than a companion.
 
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Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I did notice he refers to the TARDIS as "the time capsule". That's what Hartnell used to call it. And his attitude is *very* early Hartnell. I don't think Hartnell linkage is totally off-base.

With all the stuff about the Doctors age, his 'real face' and him wearing his 'young' face like a veil I got the feeling that they were pushing at a timey-wimey reboot to Hartnells doctor.

I want Missy to be the Tardis, but we will see...
 

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