Does the TV scifi paradigm need to change?

Darrin Drader

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Something has been bothering me lately about science fiction on TV. It seems that the '90s were a great time for scifi on TV with the successful run of Babylon 5 (though it almost ended in ruin at the end of each season), the three Star Trek Series', Earth: Final Conflict (not a show I watched, but it still survived a few years), and the numerous others.

Recently scifi TV hasn't been doing nearly so well. Farscape was cancelled before its proposed 5 year run. Other failed series' include Firefly, Crusade, and even the direction Enterprise is headed makes it look like the whole Trek franchise is going the way of the dodo within a year. The most recent successes have been the miniseries. Scifi had huge hits on their hands with Dune, Children of Dune, and Battlestar Galactica. In fact, those are the top 3 rated events in the history of the channel.

Another real problem with scifi on TV, I feel, is that people are getting a little bored with the whole thing. I'm not saying that there's something wrong with the genre, but Star Trek has established a trend of recycling plot lines over and over. Other shows tend to have a few huge episodes per season that end up defiing the entire show, but their impact is lost among a great deal of less memorable episdoes. Frankly, I would have watched Voyager if I would have known which 2 or 3 episodes a year were actually worth wathing.

So I'm wondering if what we would really rather have are 6 to 8 hour miniseries rather than entire 22 episode seasons of certain shows.

Take Battlestar Galactica. Despite the incredible ratings, the Scifi channel has yet to greenlight a series, mainly because of budgetary concerns coupled with the fact that they can't predict what the ratings will be. It may not get picked up at all. Traditionally a network will air a pilot that they are interested in developing into a series, and then if the ratings are high enough, the series is approved and then all the fans of the show hope that the ratings continue to do well. Lately this model hasn't been working for science fiction.

What if they instead produced another miniseries 8 hours long? You can cover a lot of ground in 8 hours, and it would end up costing the network less than half the amount of a standard season. Rather than getting a season full of mediocre episodes, you get one or two large stories of epic scope that would be far more memorable. What's more is that since the entire series would be very tightly focused, you wouldn't get people not tuning in because they missed an episode. The channel would want to re-show the miniseries as often as possible so that people could either re-watch or get drawn into it and it wouldn't require a great deal of dedication on the part of the viewers. Assuming that the ratings remain good, follow this up with yet another miniseries the following year. In essence, instead of the traditional TV show, what you really end up with is something much closer to a series of novels that slowly unfold at about the same rate most novels are released. Hercules actually went from a pilot movie to a full blown series in exactly this way, except that they did movies rather than mini-series'.

So, what do you, the fans of science fiction, think of this idea? Would you like to see this become the future or scifi TV, or would you rather cling to the one or two series that actually manage to survive from one year to the next?
 

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There are strengths and weaknesses to each format. The average SF short story can be done as a one-hour short movie, or as the inspiration for a two-hour movie with a larger plot. The average SF novelette (7500-15000 words) works well as a two-hour movie. The average SF novel works best as a miniseries, and the average SF series of novels would be best done as a TV series.

I'd like to see good series, and I'd like to see good miniseries. In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to choose. I don't entirely believe the minis are less expensive than series, because with a series that is set-driven rather than effect-driven, you've got big up-front costs, but you get to use those sets for a longer period of time. Think of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I believe that part of the reason it was able to grow and prosper was that it had decent sets that it used along with relatively few effects (some set props, energy bolts now and then, and a few dust-the-vamp effects per week). Quantum Leap had an effects-light show -- usually one blue-light per week -- but needed entirely different sets every single time, which made it much more expensive. I believe that in the last season Sam found himself leaping into prisoners more than once, because it was cheaper to re-use the prison set.

Farscape was actually doing well -- it had a lot of "Bad guys come onto Moya" episodes per season, which kept the set costs relatively low, and it used muppets when possible instead of CG-ing when they didn't have to. The big problem was that Stargate: SG-1 came in and gave Sci-Fi unrealistic ratings expectations (not that SG-1 is a bad show; I like both shows a bunch). SG-1 had a bigger audience, and I would guess that the show is relatively inexpensive to produce as genre shows go -- you've got whole episodes with no more than a few effects (staff blasts, stargate wormhole), and you've got re-usable sets for most episodes.

As a writer, I love writing with constraints -- seeing my limitations and making the most out of 'em. I've written without the letter "E", I've written a vampire mafia witness protection story without using the words vampire, mafia, or witness protection, and so on. I see this kind of challenge -- write a good SF series whose concept is cheap enough to produce that it can make studio execs happy even without CSI-like ratings.
 

Whisperfoot said:
So, what do you, the fans of science fiction, think of this idea? Would you like to see this become the future or scifi TV, or would you rather cling to the one or two series that actually manage to survive from one year to the next?

Well, I wouldn't mind there being more miniseries, but I think that approach has a couple of problems. And, I don't think it's a solution to the problem, it's more like a hack, a workaround. Better to deal with the real central issue...

The problem with this method is this - continuation. If you ever want to see a story that goes for more than a single miniseries, you're pretty hosed. A miniseries is nice, but it isn't what an actor would call steady work. Anyone who does well on such a project will get lucrative offers to work on movies full series in other genres, thus leaving them unavailable to continue with a second miniseries. This is good for stories longer than a movie, but not good for stories that need mulitple seasons to tell.

And, as I mentioned, I don't think it solves the root problem, which isn't sci-fi specific. Something less than half of all new series make it into their second season these days. The problem isn't that sci-fi has trouble making shows that last. The problem is that everyone has trouble making shows that last.
 
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Well, one of the main problems Farscape faced was that they *did* use
muppets, which is much, much more expensive to make than CGI, not the
other way around. Of course, muppets can be reused, but they rarely were.
 

Umbran said:
Something less than half of all new series make it into their second season these days. The problem isn't that sci-fi has trouble making shows that last. The problem is that everyone has trouble making shows that last.

The way things have been the past few years, I would be happy if anything genre related made it past the half season mark.
 


takyris said:
I've written a vampire mafia witness protection story without using the words vampire, mafia, or witness protection, and so on.
Sorry to hijack, but I gotta read this story Tak. Is it on the web somewhere?

Call me nuts, but I think the reason sci-fi shows are failing is because most of them aren't very good. I like good science fiction, but I'm constantly :rolleyes: every time I watch some hacky basic cable/syndicated show with fake-looking sets, lame-o CGI (I couldn't get past the fx on B5, call me a heathen if you will), cardboard characters, mediocre acting, and plotlines that were old when Shatner and Nimoy were reading the dialogue. The only sci-fi show (note: I don't lump Buffy or Angel in with the sci-fi group) that sounded remotely interesting was Firefly, but the day you catch me watching TV on a Friday I better be in traction or something.

As for miniseries, I'm considerably meh.

Dune: What I saw I couldn't stand..
Children of Dune: Heard it was "as good as the original!" Took that as a warning.
Battlestar Galactica: It was OK. Helped that I didn't have much in the way of memories of the original show to cloud my judgement. Wouldn't stay home to watch another miniseries of it though.
 
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Whisperfoot said:
Something has been bothering me lately about science fiction on TV. It seems that the '90s were a great time for scifi on TV with the successful run of Babylon 5 (though it almost ended in ruin at the end of each season), the three Star Trek Series', Earth: Final Conflict (not a show I watched, but it still survived a few years), and the numerous others.



Recently scifi TV hasn't been doing nearly so well. Farscape was cancelled before its proposed 5 year run. Other failed series' include Firefly, Crusade, and even the direction Enterprise is headed makes it look like the whole Trek franchise is going the way of the dodo within a year. The most recent successes have been the miniseries. Scifi had huge hits on their hands with Dune, Children of Dune, and Battlestar Galactica. In fact, those are the top 3 rated events in the history of the channel.

Farscpae didn't have a set time of length to run - it was renewed for it's fourth and fifth seasons, which SFC then reneged on, cancelling it only a couple of days before filming ended. Crusade was nixed from the beginning by TNT. Firefly was shown out of order and on a crappy night. The Trek franchise has been dying for years. You forgot Stargate, but that aired on Showtime and so was unavailable to a large cable-based audience.



But I agree, the most successes have been in the miniseries.



Another real problem with scifi on TV, I feel, is that people are getting a little bored with the whole thing. I'm not saying that there's something wrong with the genre, but Star Trek has established a trend of recycling plot lines over and over. Other shows tend to have a few huge episodes per season that end up defiing the entire show, but their impact is lost among a great deal of less memorable episdoes. Frankly, I would have watched Voyager if I would have known which 2 or 3 episodes a year were actually worth wathing.

Well, Farscape was hugely successful, Stargate is hugely successful... it's not that people are getting bored, it's that writers aren't taking risks, and aren't being innovative, and networks aren't taking risks, or being innovative.



So, what do you, the fans of science fiction, think of this idea? Would you like to see this become the future or scifi TV, or would you rather cling to the one or two series that actually manage to survive from one year to the next?

Both. There's good and bad points for either, and I don't particularly see why it has to be an either/or situation. You could use mini-series with the usually higher ratings and cheaper production to make up for the losses incurred by the traditional series format. You use the series you already own (B5, Stargate, Farscape, among others) as lead-ins to your evening programming to increase ratings, since they cost relatively little to air.



However, let's also keep in mind that there's really only one station that will even show Sci-Fi shows nowadays (in the US) - SFC. SFC is pretty much the sole provider of both series and mini-series. So it's really which is more beneficial for them - which is obviously the mini-series approach, since it costs less and requires less thinking about programming schedules. I suspect we'll be seeing more of this sort of thing, and having the series be the cheaper stuff.



Obviously I'm an outspoken opponent of SFC's programming and business strategies, and I feel that this question really doesn't have to be an issue, if SFC managed their station a little better. I also feel that some of the other stations that might show Sci-Fi, like WB, Fox, and UPN, look to SFC to see how they are doing before accepting a Sci-Fi show of their own, and the (IMO) mismanagement of SFC hurts the genre as a whole, because it just "proves" that the risk is too great.
 

Tarrasque Wrangler said:
Sorry to hijack, but I gotta read this story Tak. Is it on the web somewhere?

Second... and the letter E one :)

I've lost my copy of Steven Brust's Agyar :( ... but wasn't that a vampire novel that didn't actually mention "vampire" (for much the same reason, from memory - to see if he could do it)?

-Hyp.
 

Umbran said:
And, as I mentioned, I don't think it solves the root problem, which isn't sci-fi specific. Something less than half of all new series make it into their second season these days. The problem isn't that sci-fi has trouble making shows that last. The problem is that everyone has trouble making shows that last.
Amen. Preach Umbran, preach!!!
 

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