Dr Strange 2: In the Multiverse of Madness (Spoilers)

[Thomas Shey]

That's what I said. Within days of means after, not before.

Then I'm not sure what the relevance is; what she did is still the sort of thing that would be brought to Strange or (more likely) Wong's attention.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Then I'm not sure what the relevance is; what she did is still the sort of thing that would be brought to Strange or (more likely) Wong's attention.

With all the other potential spikes in magic use around the world and off the world and in other dimensions, they are supposed to notice Wanda and her effort to hide what she is doing from the rest of the world and prioritize it,, while plenty of other more serious stuff is happening? Is it just because people are watching these stories and know these characters and expect them to just show up in each others' stories all the time?

 

[Thomas Shey]

With all the other potential spikes in magic use around the world and off the world and in other dimensions, they are supposed to notice Wanda and her effort to hide what she is doing from the rest of the world and prioritize it,, while plenty of other more serious stuff is happening? Is it just because people are watching these stories and know these characters and expect them to just show up in each others' stories all the time?

No, because a report came in that someone used magic to completely transform and control a town for at least several days. If you mean that I think following up on that would be a pretty good priority for the people specifically focused on magic, why yes, yes I do.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

No, because a report came in that someone used magic to completely transform and control a town for at least several days. If you mean that I think following up on that would be a pretty good priority for the people specifically focused on magic, why yes, yes I do.

Well, whatever your reasoning, MoM obviously makes it not matter because Strange said so to Wanda when he came to see her. She was expecting some punishment for what she did and Strange was not interested.

 

[p_johnston]

Overall I enjoyed the movie just like I enjoyed most marvel movies. That being said I am on the side of the people who saying that the Wanda heel turn seems abrupt. In terms of screen time the time between "Oh god what I have I done. I must free the town even if it means giving up the children I love." To "I will murder an innocent child, countless people my demons kill across while rampaging across the multiverse and EVERY SORCERER ON EARTH." is about five minutes. We effectively go straight from redemption scene to villain reveal with a 10 second post credit scene being the only thing we have to bridge the gap.

While in universe there has been a couple of years the movie never really makes that clear. If I was told that in universe the movie took place 1 month after Wandavision I would have probably gone "yep makes sense."

Also this movie again brings up a complaint I often have of "the sorcerer supreme is really, really, really bad at his job." In terms of movies/shows since infinity war where the Sorcerer Supreme really should have either known about or done something about it we have
1) Wanda taking over an entire town with magic.
2) Not knowing about the 10 rings that, at least in the past, were being used very blatantly to take over ancient china.
3) Not knowing about Ta-Lo and the Dweller in Darkness (which seems to be very explicitly the kind of thing they are meant to stop)
3) Not knowing about the Eternals who were active in the 1500's
4) Not trying to stop the Celestial baby from destroying the earth.
5) Not interfering as two ancient egyptian gods duke it out in egypt.
6) Not caring when an egyptian god literally turns back the night sky.
And probably more that I've missed.
Edit: My main point in the last complaint is we are explicitly told that the Sorcerer supreme and all the other sorcerers exist to stop otherworldy threats from destroying the earth. We are then repeatedly shown them either being unaware, unwilling, or unable to help with said otherworldly threats.

 

[MarkB]

There were a lot of interesting components in this movie, many of which worked well, but ultimately I just wasn't looking for and did not want a movie in which Wanda became a primary antagonist, so it just didn't work out very enjoyable for me.

 

[pukunui]

Edit: My main point in the last complaint is we are explicitly told that the Sorcerer supreme and all the other sorcerers exist to stop otherworldy threats from destroying the earth. We are then repeatedly shown them either being unaware, unwilling, or unable to help with said otherworldly threats.

This seems to be a common issue among shared universes full of superpowered beings. See also the Forgotten Realms (e.g. Why aren't Elminster, Drizzt, et al stopping the death curse / preventing Tiamat from returning / sending the demon lords back to the Abyss / etc?).

At some point you just have to shrug and suspend that nagging disbelief. Superpowered beings aren't omniscient or omnipotent even when they are literally gods. They can't be everywhere at once.

Also, with visual media, it sometimes simply comes down to "We don't have the budget to get someone like Benedict Cumberbatch in here even as a cameo."

 

[RangerWickett]

I think it might have been a fun reveal for Strange to recruit Wanda, and her to be on board, only to discover at the end of act one that an unconscious part of herself was the villain. So you can get the repentant good guy Wanda on the surface, and the corrupted one that is growing inside her sleeping mind, fueled by the Darkhold. Riff on Forbidden Planet, maybe. Wanda can't trust herself.

They go to Kamar-Taj to try to figure out who is responsible for sending the monsters after America. Wanda, pointing out that the enemy is clearly working across dimensions, offers to use the magic of the Darkhold to dreamwalk and hunt for them. Wong rejects it as horrible dark magic, and instead they try something more mundane, like a seance. Spooky stuff happens. But it doesn't work.

Then that evening Wanda hears a whisper from the book, and decides to take things into her own hands . . . and then she dreamwalks, and goes bad.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Well, whatever your reasoning, MoM obviously makes it not matter because Strange said so to Wanda when he came to see her. She was expecting some punishment for what she did and Strange was not interested.

And like I said, I think that's pretty odd given his and Wong's job.

Edit: To make it clear, I quite liked the movie, and found Wanda's face/heel turn credible given what we already know about her. But I still also consider the fact the fact the first time the guys in charge of magical threats seem to know its a problem a plot hole, and don't see a reason not to say so just because overall the movie worked for me.

 

[trappedslider]

And like I said, I think that's pretty odd given his and Wong's job.

Edit: To make it clear, I quite liked the movie, and found Wanda's face/heel turn credible given what we already know about her. But I still also consider the fact the fact the first time the guys in charge of magical threats seem to know its a problem a plot hole, and don't see a reason not to say so just because overall the movie worked for me.

My understanding is they police the cosmic-level magic threats like Dormammu. The Sorcerer Supreme carries the intimidating weight of protecting the world by maintaining a mystical barrier that guards against invasions from other realms.