DS9-Better of the trek shows?

[Mallus]

But also G'Kar and Londo - their character arcs are probably the best I've seen on TV.

They were the soul of the show for me, in a show that had plenty of great characters. I don't think you'll find two better written/acted characters in SF film and televison.

That said, DS9 had its share of great, well-played characters; Sisko, Garak, Odo (which shocked me), Kira Nerys (which shocked me more) ,Bashir and O'Brien, Quark, , and of course, on the opposing team, Weyoun 5 and Dukat...

 

[Storm Raven]

Farscape had Crichton. Star Trek had Kirk and Spock. Who was the soul of B5?

Delenn. Or G'Kar.

Londo is the tragic hero.

Maybe if there were more puppets I would have liked it better. It didn't help my view of the show that they used so much CGI (and not particularly good CGI... especially in the early seasons) for ships and the station.

For the time, the CGI was pretty good. Do you fault TOS for having styrofoam moons?

 

[The_Universe]

Star Trek is not all about going from here to there physically. The Motion Picture got it right at the end of that story, "The Human Adventures continues..."

Says you. After all, who wouldn't say that the Motion Picture sucked? As far as I'm concerned, Wrath of Khan is the first Star Trek movie.

For me, it's all about boldly (and since I apparently have to make this distinction - physically) going. It can be something else for you. I can't stop you, and I wouldn't. Deep Space Nine didn't deliver on that premise, though despite that it was not a *bad* show, just not my favorite.

You can tell me *all you want* what a piece of entertainment was *really* about, but that doesn't make either of our interpretations of meaning any more or less true. After all, I can tell you that Transformers was really a detailed social commentary about racial disharmony in a technological society, but that would be total crap, as well.

 

[Arnwyn]

After all, who wouldn't say that the Motion Picture sucked?

*shyly raises hand from the back row*

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

*shyly raises hand from the back row*

*standing up before arnwyn, trying to hide him from the view of the the others, so nobody hurts him, even if he might deserve it, at least if taste in TV and movies wasn´t very subjective and should never lead to harmful physical consequences*
That´s the only trek movie I nearly (?) fell asleep watching it the first time as a young boy...

 

[JimAde]

While TMP was pretty horrible, I was just so excited that there was something Trek on the big screen I ate it up anyway. I just can't stand to watch it now, though.

 

[Joshua Randall]

On the subject of "to boldly go"...

Just after DS9 premiered, someone on Usenet wrote up a parody of the TOS intro. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like this:

"These are the non-voyages of the station Deep Space Nine. Its continuing mission: to seek out a brighter lighting system... to be able to replicate a cup of coffee without blowing up Ops... to boldly stay... right... here!"

 

[The_Universe]

*shyly raises hand from the back row*

Don't cry, little one. No one will hurt you here. Just watch out for V'Ger, who may bore you to the degree that you'd wish we had.

 

[Mallus]

*shyly raises hand from the back row*

*rudely knocks armwyn out of the way, full of man-bluster*

I like the Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I proudly own the special edition (re-edited) DVD.

Its too slow, its too long, but damnit if it isn't a grand-scaled, thoughful (if not original) science fiction film, that, as the tag-line says, doesn't lose sight of the human drama. Or adventure. Whatever.

Is it as good as Khan? No. But Khan's something of pop-art masterpiece. Its Star Trek meets Melville, complete with exploding planets and Ricardo Montelbans' exploding hair... Few things can beat that.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

On the subject of "to boldly go"...

Just after DS9 premiered, someone on Usenet wrote up a parody of the TOS intro. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like this:

"These are the non-voyages of the station Deep Space Nine. Its continuing mission: to seek out a brighter lighting system... to be able to replicate a cup of coffee without blowing up Ops... to boldly stay... right... here!"

The last part

to boldly stay... right ... here!

strikes really well, but not in a bad way: Seeing the Cardassians, Klingons, Breen and Dominion going up against the federation, staying where you are is actually a very bold and powerful thing. DS9 didn´t have to go anywhere- it´s "point" was to stay where it was (, just as is to be expected by a base.), and it was just an image for the survival and stablity of the federation. Despite this "stability" and "staying", DS9 evolved and changed the Startrek Universe more than any of the other series. TOS or TNG never really changed the fundamentals of the world (discounting the movies). The introduction of the Enterprise D surely moved the time and technology forward, but afterwards, nothing really changed.
I am exaggerating a bit - at the end of DS9, most is as it was before. Though we certainly got a new view on the universe of Startrek.