DS9-Better of the trek shows?

[DonTadow]

That's funny. I always thought I was alone in thinking that this was the best of the star trek series.

Today's episode on Spike was a clear example. Odo and his new changling friend experience the same type of racism faced by middle eastern people after 911 and during the Iraq War. The great thing is this episode came out, obviously years before all of these events. It shows the tendancies that we as humans are. Great episode.

Deep Space nine was packed with episodes like this. I liked how it constrasted TNG. TNG was great because it explored the beyond. DS9 Explored our inner selves. HOw, no matter , we still face the same problems in the future as we face now. There is one episode where Sisko is looking at a list of a million people who have died in the war and he starts to cry. It's amazing to see the true impact of war in a sci fi show.

 

[sniffles]

I always thought one of the very best episodes was one of the later ones in which Sisko had to lead a plan to trick the Romulans into joining the Federation against the Founders. He obviously hated what he was doing and despised himself for going along with it. This was not a show about perfect people living in a happy little galaxy.

I loved the development of the relationship between Odo and Kira, and how it didn't all work out happily ever after. I also enjoyed how Worf and Dax came together, how the producers were willing to let Jadzia die, and how Worf reacted to meeting Dax's new host. And the development of Gul Dukat, from a totally evil villain to a guy you could almost like, and then back into a villain - and it was all completely believable, not just done to progress the uberplot. And I thought it was very courageous of the producers to go out on a less-than-tidy ending, which ended up being very satisfying for me as a viewer just because it didn't tie up all the loose ends.

However, I will not get into a debate about whether DS9 was better than B5, or any other show. And on reflection I retract that I said DS9 was the best Trek series; it's the one I most preferred, but there is no "best" because they're all different and they all contain things I like.

 

[Villano]

And the development of Gul Dukat, from a totally evil villain to a guy you could almost like, and then back into a villain - and it was all completely believable, not just done to progress the uberplot.

I love Dukat and think he's one of television's best villains, however, I didn't like him as much after his daughter was killed. He went insane for one episode (seeing and hearing things that weren't there), then was fine the next. And then he went on his "Pah-Wraiths" kick.

 

[DonTadow]

I always thought one of the very best episodes was one of the later ones in which Sisko had to lead a plan to trick the Romulans into joining the Federation against the Founders. He obviously hated what he was doing and despised himself for going along with it. This was not a show about perfect people living in a happy little galaxy.

I loved the development of the relationship between Odo and Kira, and how it didn't all work out happily ever after. I also enjoyed how Worf and Dax came together, how the producers were willing to let Jadzia die, and how Worf reacted to meeting Dax's new host. And the development of Gul Dukat, from a totally evil villain to a guy you could almost like, and then back into a villain - and it was all completely believable, not just done to progress the uberplot. And I thought it was very courageous of the producers to go out on a less-than-tidy ending, which ended up being very satisfying for me as a viewer just because it didn't tie up all the loose ends.

However, I will not get into a debate about whether DS9 was better than B5, or any other show. And on reflection I retract that I said DS9 was the best Trek series; it's the one I most preferred, but there is no "best" because they're all different and they all contain things I like.

That's a good stance to take. Ds9 was the show I prefer. Believe it or not my brother prefers Voyager. To each his own. It is among my favorite scifi shows alongside farscape and sg1.

 

[John Crichton]

I also enjoyed how Worf and Dax came together, how the producers were willing to let Jadzia die, and how Worf reacted to meeting Dax's new host.

First off, I agree with most of your post.

But the producers had little say in what happened with Jadzia - the actress was leaving the show and they had to kill her off.

 

[Ranger REG]

Says you. After all, who wouldn't say that the Motion Picture sucked? As far as I'm concerned, Wrath of Khan is the first Star Trek movie.

It's the first Star Trek movie that has more action and edge-of-seat thriller.

But a true Trek story tend to be more cerebral, like The Motion Picture the TOS pilot episode, "The Cage."

If I want less than cerebral, I'd watch Star Wars. After all, even a village idiot can understand the theme of good vs. evil.

 

[mojo1701]

If I want less than cerebral, I'd watch Star Wars. After all, even a village idiot can understand the theme of good vs. evil.

...which is Vader, again?

 

[John Crichton]

...which is Vader, again?

Neither. He's 100% Bad Ass.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

It's the first Star Trek movie that has more action and edge-of-seat thriller.

But a true Trek story tend to be more cerebral, like The Motion Picture the TOS pilot episode, "The Cage."

If I want less than cerebral, I'd watch Star Wars. After all, even a village idiot can understand the theme of good vs. evil.

I don´t see the motion picture as very cerebral, could you explain why you think it is?
(I must admit I seem only to remember minute-long sequences showing a giant space ship that seemed to lead nowhere, but I didn´t see the movie since a decade or so... But the point is - only if I identify cerebral with long-winded and boring I can see this term applying for The Motion Picture, and I don´t think that´s what you or I do understand under cerebral. )
I think Startrek VI was a lot more cerebral - Kirk unable and unwilling to accept the chance for peace with his enemies because of all he experienced due to them, members on all sides going even further and trying to work against this peace for the same and similar reasons...

 

[Ranger REG]

On the subject of "to boldly go"...

Just after DS9 premiered, someone on Usenet wrote up a parody of the TOS intro. I don't remember it exactly, but it was something like this:

"These are the non-voyages of the station Deep Space Nine. Its continuing mission: to seek out a brighter lighting system... to be able to replicate a cup of coffee without blowing up Ops... to boldly stay... right... here!"

Meh. That's nothing. Trek critics have panned DS9 as being a "soap opera in space." But I ignored them. I have a certain attachment to DS9 because I was discussing each episode on a game mailing list based on Last Unicorn Games' Star Trek The Roleplaying Game back in the days. Gawd, I missed those days.