Dungeon 140, 141 and 142 have no FR or Eberron content

[takasi]

D00d, your ability to comprehend what I write is AMAZING.

OKAY. This is what I wrote:

>>That may be true, but I dont buy DRAGON because it's of no use to me.

It doesnt have adventures, DUNGEON does. Hence it's useful to me. The addition of specific settings to the adventures would make those adventures useless to me and would lose me as a customer.<<

Just to make this clear:

You made it very clear. Paizo would lose you as a customer if "those adventures" had specific settings. Not all adventures, any. This is implied by the wording, which is why I reiterated that you seem to reject the magazine if there is any setting specific material, whether the majority of non-setting material is available and useful to you or not.

Just to REALLY make this clear:

If every issue had JUST ONE article or adventure that was setting specific would Paizo lose you as a customer based on that fact alone?

Yes or no?

 

[atom crash]

Re: the ice cream analogy, Dungeon is not selling ice cream; there are not 31 flavors in every issue, there are 3 adventures, one of which is part of the Adventure Path, the other two which are left to represent facets of a large volume of settings and locations and times and places, as well as various levels of difficulty (ie appropriate for different party levels). So in effect, there are more than 31 flavors, and only room to offer three at any given time, one of which is going to remain the same for the next several months.

But each adventure isn't just supporting Forgotten Realms, Eberron or Greyhawk. Those aren't really flavors. The adventures are more aptly identified as either urban or dungeon-crawl, set in a port town or set in a war-torn country or set on the various planes, combat-heavy or RP-heavy, or any other more appropriate descriptor than simply "Forgotten Realms, Eberron or Greyhawk." It's an attempt to simpifly a complex issue to make a statement that "Dungeon 140 contains no Eberron or FR content." Can the content be made to fit with little or no modification in an Eberron campaign? If the answer is yes, then there you go.

If an adventure is set in a war-torn country, for example, does it add value to say it is set in Karrnath, or Amn, or Furyondy (three examples I've pulled at random from my passing familiarity to each campaign setting; as I said in an earlier post, I run a homebrew campaign, so if an adventure tells me it takes place in Impiltur and offers no other info it really means nothing to me)? Or does it add value to say it is set in a war-torn country, and then you provide the further details as you see fit for the campaign you run? Do the editors actually have to tell you the adventure takes place in Aundair for it to be useful for an Eberron campaign, or can you read the adventure and think to yourself, "I've been wanting my players to take a trip to Aundair. This adventure would fit perfectly!"

Please do not assume that my opinion is the official stance of the Dungeon editors; I have no affiliation with that magazine, except as a subscriber. But I must add that apparently the Dungeon editors are mostly happy with their current mix of adventures each month, as are the bulk of their readers, or else the editors would be madly scrambling to make changes post haste in order to deal with quickly slumping sales.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

You made it very clear. Paizo would lose you as a customer if "those adventures" had specific settings. Not all adventures, any. This is implied by the wording,

Which is an implication that YOU made.

Go back and read my initial post, you big ol' twister of words you.

I said that I'd have a problem with a PRELIFERATION of FR and Eberron adventures in DUNGEON.

Which is an implication that you made

WRONG. Just flat out wrong. Because if that were true then I wouldnt have been a subscriber for a year and I wouldnt be buying the magazine now.

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which is why I reiterated that you seem to reject the magazine if there is any setting specific material, whether the majority of non-setting material is available and useful to you or not.

Wow, why am I not surprised. EVEN more wrong with an extra side dish of WRONG.

Just to REALLY make this clear:

If every issue had JUST ONE article or adventure that was setting specific would Paizo lose you as a customer based on that fact alone?

Yes or no?

I refuse to answer that last question because it would just be taken out of context and used against me later on even though it would be something that I probably never even said...

 

[D'karr]

Mr. Jacobs, was all of this really necessary? Is it really more important than getting the next issue out? It seems like you're always in a crunch when people ask about conversion notes but I can pretty much time you to the nearest minute on your response time to my posts.

Your feedback on my feedback is (almost) always appreciated but I would much rather have the time and effort spent elsewhere (specifically the notes for 139, 140 and 141).

And good lord, placing a supposedly "generic" adventure in an actual licensed setting backdrop? Say it isn't so! I thought these things just weren't done?

The rest of your post is just defense of the status quo. If it's what you're doing it must be the best way possible right?

Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with being a little too headstrong? I feel almost guilty about the current situation, because I'm beginning to suspect that the lack of setting specific content may actually be my fault! Despite very vocal, constant complaints about Wil Save, Downer and First Watch you continue to adamentally defend your decisions as "marketing knows best". Even after Wesley Crusher quit (from hate mail no less) you still defended the articles despite its nearly unquestionable rejection by the vast majority of your readership.

We've discussed at length your ability (or lack there of) to commission quality adventures rather than rely on whatever fans are willing to contribute. I'm sorry to see that the magazine hasn't been successful enough to support the former. Oh well...

Dude, you really need to take a chill pill.

 

[ShinHakkaider]

I guess it's all about pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Did you mean this as an insult?

How exactly did you mean this? What was the point of this statement?

The use of the word "pandering" tends to have negative connatations is casual conversation?

Could you answer these questions in a direct non-evasive and non twisty fashon please?

 

[Barak]

I'm just waiting for a Dragonlance adventure. Or maybe one set in the world of WFRP, or maybe WH40K.

 

[takasi]

I'm just waiting for a Dragonlance adventure. Or maybe one set in the world of WFRP, or maybe WH40K.

Tell it to Sovereign Press and Green Ronin. Dungeon and Dragon magazines generally only print material from licensed WotC settings.

You may want to check out the new War of the Lance and Age of Mortals adventure paths. WFRP also has several well developed adventures available for purchase.

 

[Barak]

Tell it to Sovereign Press and Green Ronin. Dungeon and Dragon magazines generally only print material from licensed WotC settings.

They also generally only print core adventures (or so I hear..), and yet some people ask for other things, why can't I?

You may want to check out the new War of the Lance and Age of Mortals adventure paths. WFRP also has several well developed adventures available for purchase.

No no. They need to come from Dungeon! As long as we're telling them what to put in the magazine, and how to run the magazine, we should tell them what game system to support. I'm on your side on this!

Also, I want a walk-thru for the new FF, stat!

 

[takasi]

They also generally only print core adventures (or so I hear..), and yet some people ask for other things, why can't I?

There is precedent for the other things but not for what you're asking for. I'm looking for other flavors in an ice cream shop that only serves vanilla and you're asking for auto parts.

No no. They need to come from Dungeon!

Why?

 

[Presto2112]

I'm just waiting for a Dragonlance adventure. Or maybe one set in the world of WFRP, or maybe WH40K.

Issue number Eighty-something had a Dragonlance adventure called "Anvil of Time". I know that was about five or six years ago, but they've done in during the 3E years.