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D&D 5E Dwarves Could Use A Rethink


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Games Workshop tends to have an aesthetic that is ridiculous and awesome at the same time. I can certainly see why it might not be to someone's tastes though. I don't think the dwarf art from D&D 4E look all that bad. I appreciate that the armor they're wearing actually looks like armor. Here's another one of their dwarfs from 1987. He's an ugly cuss but I kind of like the way he looks. Whoever said dwarves aren't sexy is right.

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Well that's not as bad as the others. I wasn't commenting on Warhammer Dwarves in general just the oddness of the idea that the a Dwarf with huge decorative wings on there helmet was somehow "not ridiculous".

Although so far no one has posted any pictures of dwarves wearing armour that actually looks like armour.
 

Mostly because 'looks like armor' is basically just personal aesthetics considering the past 5000 years of armor technology around the world and also the majority of people don't want to see characters in sad cans full of wool.
 



Casimir Liber

Explorer
Anyway.....in my milieu, duergar and mountain dwarves trade with variable hot-and-cold relations. Duergar seduced wholesale by Mammon, Belial and Baalzebul.....any DMs done anything interesting with duergar in their campaigns? (should I make this a new thread or leave here..?)
 


AcererakTriple6

Autistic DM (he/him)
Anyway.....in my milieu, duergar and mountain dwarves trade with variable hot-and-cold relations. Duergar seduced wholesale by Mammon, Belial and Baalzebul.....any DMs done anything interesting with duergar in their campaigns? (should I make this a new thread or leave here..?)
In my world, they conquered the Underdark (as Mordenkainen predicted). They captured most of the Drow in order to use them as slaves, but some drow escaped and became nocturnal refugees on the surface drow (known as Sürdrae, and they eventually began to worship the stars). They experimented for centuries on the enslaved drow, causing them to become deformed, mindless brutes, and managed to trap their souls inside of Soul Cubes to force them to be their slaves (to prevent the drow's souls from escaping the Underdark and being reincarnated as another elf/drow). They also bred their Steeders to link with their rider, becoming Huge when the mounted duergar uses their Enlarge ability. They also use the Derro to send messages through the Far Realm to contact Elder Evils that want to corrupt the Material Plane without being able to physically enter.
 

Anyway.....in my milieu, duergar and mountain dwarves trade with variable hot-and-cold relations. Duergar seduced wholesale by Mammon, Belial and Baalzebul.....any DMs done anything interesting with duergar in their campaigns? (should I make this a new thread or leave here..?)
I considered making them work of ur-fascism remove the slavery and go full genocide ideally their soldiers are mostly faceless but terrifying.
 


certainly the derro are eyeless (I consider them a really aberrant branch of dwarves).....
I mean they all were masks in war so you can figure if they feel pain or hesitation.
might add in dark sorceries towards armies of literal clones and weapons of terror.
dark paladins and cleric of foul and scary gods as all earth and love having long been removed and only hate crulty remains.
 


Dannyalcatraz

Schmoderator
Staff member
I’m thinking Dwarven step pyramids would serve a different purpose than they did for the Mesoamericans.

For one thing, they’d be built in such a way as to be visual homages to certain specific mountain ranges. That would mean some would be adjoining.

And they might just be “regular buildings”- dwellings, workshops, and yes, granaries.

I’d imagine that some would even be used like yakhchāls- ancient buildings constructed in such a way as to store and even make ice…in deserts. And similar building techniques would mean the Dwarven pyramids intended for use as dwellings could be “air conditioned”.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I’m thinking Dwarven step pyramids would serve a different purpose than they did for the Mesoamericans.

For one thing, they’d be built in such a way as to be visual homages to certain specific mountain ranges. That would mean some would be adjoining.

And they might just be “regular buildings”- dwellings, workshops, and yes, granaries.

I’d imagine that some would even be used like yakhchāls- ancient buildings constructed in such a way as to store and even make ice…in deserts. And similar building techniques would mean the Dwarven pyramids intended for use as dwellings could be “air conditioned”.

I think the Persians kind of invented air conditioning.

Could be like that. Clever system.
 



Ixal

Adventurer
Well that's not as bad as the others. I wasn't commenting on Warhammer Dwarves in general just the oddness of the idea that the a Dwarf with huge decorative wings on there helmet was somehow "not ridiculous".

Although so far no one has posted any pictures of dwarves wearing armour that actually looks like armour.
What exactly does "look like armor" to you?
Especially when it comes to Warhammer I wonder how it does not look like armor.

For example dwarf warriors from the Warhammer TW game (some concept art from it has been posted before)
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Gambeson and chain mail. Except for the horns on the helmet that looks rather sensible to me even when you go for realistic armor.

When you go into fantasy territory with oversized shoulder plates you have
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A combination of plate on the upper body and a splint armor skirt.
Or the "full plate version"
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All look convincing and I have seen much worse fantasy armor when it comes to how impractical they are.

So why does that not look like armor to you?
 

What exactly does "look like armor" to you?
Especially when it comes to Warhammer I wonder how it does not look like armor.

For example dwarf warriors from the Warhammer TW game (some concept art from it has been posted before)
voLEEd0.png

Gambeson and chain mail. Except for the horns on the helmet that looks rather sensible to me even when you go for realistic armor.

When you go into fantasy territory with oversized shoulder plates you have
BSLQKxr.png

A combination of plate on the upper body and a splint armor skirt.
Or the "full plate version"
WTGfE9Y.png


All look convincing and I have seen much worse fantasy armor when it comes to how impractical they are.

So why does that not look like armor to you?
I don't understand why you are posting new pictures when I am commenting on previous ones. Those NEW pictures largely look like armour (except for the helmet with the horns on it).

I did say I wasn't commenting on Warhammer Dwarves in general. It's almost as if you're commenting on a post without having read it.
 

Ixal

Adventurer
I don't understand why you are posting new pictures when I am commenting on previous ones. Those NEW pictures largely look like armour (except for the helmet with the horns on it).

I did say I wasn't commenting on Warhammer Dwarves in general. It's almost as if you're commenting on a post without having read it.
Only that those pictures have basically been posted before
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Those are basically the same types of armor as this is art belongs to the same game. Only the helmet is different because it shows lords and heroes and not rank and file troops (but you can find those models in the game too).

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And some of the D&D art is not far of in design, just lower quality (especially the guy on the right)
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