rangerjohn
Explorer
I've looked at those already. They are three problems with them. One I have yet to find a lowly elf build there, two you are right they are not 30th level, three they reference material outside the SRD.
Epic D&D campaign (still recruiting)
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Wilphe
Adventurer
You can join me in Epic Special Ed...
I think however I will knock Quarnabeet on the head; he is not developing into anything actually useful and there is a time I want to tell his story but this is not it.
I'll play about with some else, see what else there is in the group.
Maybe a legendary progenitor archetype:
Bob the Epic 3rd level Fighter
The very first ever Half Orc Paladin
The very first ever Orc Paladin
The very first ever dualwielding good drow ranger with an animal companion in a magical knick-knack.
Ok, maybe not that last one
Jemal
Adventurer
Well, I'd originally posted
[sblock=Book]
I was hoping to make the book a big, epic item much like the rod, to show its significance and importance, but I couldn't really find any magical books that aren't artifacts. So, instead I've just taken some liberties with having it contain a lot of information. Essentially most of the Knowledges Kayla has are from reading the songs in the book (Many of which detail past, and maybe even future events). I also added the 'manual/tomes' of Inherent stat bonuses to it as a flavour thing. Any other ideas? (Also feel free to use it as a plot device to pass along any info/insight you wish, I make a very good DM Shill. )
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But while I was looking for it I noticed that you had responded
[sblock=Book]
I was hoping to make the book a big, epic item much like the rod, to show its significance and importance, but I couldn't really find any magical books that aren't artifacts. So, instead I've just taken some liberties with having it contain a lot of information. Essentially most of the Knowledges Kayla has are from reading the songs in the book (Many of which detail past, and maybe even future events). I also added the 'manual/tomes' of Inherent stat bonuses to it as a flavour thing. Any other ideas? (Also feel free to use it as a plot device to pass along any info/insight you wish, I make a very good DM Shill. )
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But while I was looking for it I noticed that you had responded
So I'm guessing that means it's good as is?
rangerjohn
Explorer
How? With a monster race? 20 BAB +5 weapon +17 strength +1 WF +6 Divine Focus = d20 +51. What am I missing?
I know these can all go higher with epic, but you said level 20.
I know these can all go higher with epic, but you said level 20.
Nephtys
First Post
I have some difficulty assigning skillpoints, it seems I just have too many of them. Do I have to spend all my skillpoints each level or can I save some to use when I change class?
Also, I saw some of you posting die rolls earlier. Where did you use roll those?
Touch attacks.
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Also, I saw some of you posting die rolls earlier. Where did you use roll those?
Touch attacks.
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Albedo
First Post
Ok, well you basically have 3 options when it comes to hitting your best at 20th level.
Option the first is ironically, optional. It is something you and the dm have to workout the specifics on. Simply speaking, its the paragon and psuedonatural templates. While these have no standard LA, as long as the agreed upon LA is 18 or under you're pretty much good to go. This is the fun option, and is in no way shape or form designed for serious or competitive gaming.
Option the second is the tricky way. This is to negate portions of your opponents AC, rendering it to a much more manageable figure. Flat-Footed touch ACs are always gonna be you're best shot, especially if you lose em their dex from sources other than flat-footed to get around uncanny dodge. Arcane Trickster is my favorite on this line.
The last is the standard, horrible, cleche truth about d&d. Spellcasters win. With a successful build combining every attack buff in the phb, followed by a simple touch of the secret ingredient, and you are a wrecking machine. Whats the secret ingredient you ask? Only one of d&ds most powerful spells, SHAPECHANGE. Using shapechange can grant you a str or dex score considerably higher than you ever thought possible. Add on a bit of True Strike/Moment of prescience Icing, and package it with the previous method of ignoring aspects of your opponent's AC, and you might just forget that there was an attack roll step in the first place.
Option the first is ironically, optional. It is something you and the dm have to workout the specifics on. Simply speaking, its the paragon and psuedonatural templates. While these have no standard LA, as long as the agreed upon LA is 18 or under you're pretty much good to go. This is the fun option, and is in no way shape or form designed for serious or competitive gaming.
Option the second is the tricky way. This is to negate portions of your opponents AC, rendering it to a much more manageable figure. Flat-Footed touch ACs are always gonna be you're best shot, especially if you lose em their dex from sources other than flat-footed to get around uncanny dodge. Arcane Trickster is my favorite on this line.
The last is the standard, horrible, cleche truth about d&d. Spellcasters win. With a successful build combining every attack buff in the phb, followed by a simple touch of the secret ingredient, and you are a wrecking machine. Whats the secret ingredient you ask? Only one of d&ds most powerful spells, SHAPECHANGE. Using shapechange can grant you a str or dex score considerably higher than you ever thought possible. Add on a bit of True Strike/Moment of prescience Icing, and package it with the previous method of ignoring aspects of your opponent's AC, and you might just forget that there was an attack roll step in the first place.
Jemal
Adventurer
Nephtys - The Dice Roller is at the bottom of your post after you post it (IT's like an edit function). It's a secure dice roller that once you roll, is added to the post permanently, and you can't change it.
*Also, if you click the "Save and add more* button, yes it does save them until you hit ROLL, but It doesn't always show the list of what you've got saved on the right like it should, so don't worry that it's not saving them*
Ranger - I think Albedo allready answered most of your question. Buffs are one way of improving your attack, the other way is situational - Finding ways to get their Flat footed and/or Touch ACs.
Core only, the easiest way is an Arcane trickster with a Brilliant Energy weapon. Your opponents will gain Luck, Monk, and Deflection bonuses and that's it. At 20 core, the best THAT AC will be is ~30=-40 for a fullout AC Twinked monk-build.
As far as GETTING AC high with core, thats also not too dificult. Heck, lets see what we can do without templates OR spellcasting... WITH A KOBOLD!! MUAHAHA
[sblock=Example NONCASTING Core AC build]
Kobold Monk 2/Fighter8/Duelist 10
Dexterity 34 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 3 lvl + 5 inherent + 2 racial)
Wisdom 30 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 1 lvl + 5 inherent)
Intelligence 30 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 1 lvl + 5 inherent)
Feats(6): Weapon Finesse, Improved Natural Armour X5(Monsters Manual)
Fighter Bonus Feats(5): Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, 2-weapon fighting, 2-weapon defense, mobility
Items:
+6 dex/wisdom/intelligence enhancers
+5 books: Dix, wis, int
Bracers of armour +8
Ring of protection +5
Amulet of natural armour +5
+5 defending weapon
Total AC: 10 base + 1 size + 12 dex + 10 int + 10 wisdom + 8 armour + 11 natural armour + 5 deflection +5 defending weapon + 5 Expertise
+ 13 Fighting Defensively + 2 shield +1 Dodge=93
FF: 45
Touch: 72
FFTouch: 26
SO, total fighting defensively AC of 93 vs single opponent (97 vs AoO).
I worked this up in about 20 minutes... it's not complete, but it's just to show that it's not impossible.... I mean this is using
JUST the core 3 printed books and no spellcasting, and I'm sure others could point out things I've missed.
NOW, using this guy as a Sendoff for trying to hit him..
His AC is insane for 20th level, but his Flat-footed touch AC is only 26... EASILY hitable by a lvl 20 fighter type. All you gotta do is catch him with his guard down. Most opponents have a way around their 'super-powers'. You just gotta find their kryptonite.[/sblock]
ON another note, the reason you won't find many Elf Builds is b/c most people not using Level Adjustment races use Human base for the bonus feat, or if they do use a base race that gives them the proper stat bonus, then Halfling is usually more appealing than elf from a Mechanics point of view when doing the same job.
That doesn't mean you cant MODIFY builds to make them elves.
OR we could do what I did with Ghostcat. You post up your concept/first draft/skeleton build/whatever, and We'll offer suggestions.
And finally, Dharuhk - So I.. er.. Fudged up.. I was going through my character before work today just doing a last final touch up, and I noticed that I'd completely messed up my spellcasting (I had been adding my Lyric Thaumaturge levels to my Wujen casting, but I just noticed that they specifically state they can only be added to BARD)... So that changed how my spellcasting worked, and it may take me a little longer to get my spell list fixed up...
Sorry
I still would like to be in the starting party, however. I can guarantee I'll have it up before I cast anything.
*Also, if you click the "Save and add more* button, yes it does save them until you hit ROLL, but It doesn't always show the list of what you've got saved on the right like it should, so don't worry that it's not saving them*
Ranger - I think Albedo allready answered most of your question. Buffs are one way of improving your attack, the other way is situational - Finding ways to get their Flat footed and/or Touch ACs.
Core only, the easiest way is an Arcane trickster with a Brilliant Energy weapon. Your opponents will gain Luck, Monk, and Deflection bonuses and that's it. At 20 core, the best THAT AC will be is ~30=-40 for a fullout AC Twinked monk-build.
As far as GETTING AC high with core, thats also not too dificult. Heck, lets see what we can do without templates OR spellcasting... WITH A KOBOLD!! MUAHAHA
[sblock=Example NONCASTING Core AC build]
Kobold Monk 2/Fighter8/Duelist 10
Dexterity 34 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 3 lvl + 5 inherent + 2 racial)
Wisdom 30 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 1 lvl + 5 inherent)
Intelligence 30 (18 base + 6 enhancement + 1 lvl + 5 inherent)
Feats(6): Weapon Finesse, Improved Natural Armour X5(Monsters Manual)
Fighter Bonus Feats(5): Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, 2-weapon fighting, 2-weapon defense, mobility
Items:
+6 dex/wisdom/intelligence enhancers
+5 books: Dix, wis, int
Bracers of armour +8
Ring of protection +5
Amulet of natural armour +5
+5 defending weapon
Total AC: 10 base + 1 size + 12 dex + 10 int + 10 wisdom + 8 armour + 11 natural armour + 5 deflection +5 defending weapon + 5 Expertise
+ 13 Fighting Defensively + 2 shield +1 Dodge=93
FF: 45
Touch: 72
FFTouch: 26
SO, total fighting defensively AC of 93 vs single opponent (97 vs AoO).
I worked this up in about 20 minutes... it's not complete, but it's just to show that it's not impossible.... I mean this is using
JUST the core 3 printed books and no spellcasting, and I'm sure others could point out things I've missed.
NOW, using this guy as a Sendoff for trying to hit him..
His AC is insane for 20th level, but his Flat-footed touch AC is only 26... EASILY hitable by a lvl 20 fighter type. All you gotta do is catch him with his guard down. Most opponents have a way around their 'super-powers'. You just gotta find their kryptonite.[/sblock]
ON another note, the reason you won't find many Elf Builds is b/c most people not using Level Adjustment races use Human base for the bonus feat, or if they do use a base race that gives them the proper stat bonus, then Halfling is usually more appealing than elf from a Mechanics point of view when doing the same job.
That doesn't mean you cant MODIFY builds to make them elves.
OR we could do what I did with Ghostcat. You post up your concept/first draft/skeleton build/whatever, and We'll offer suggestions.
And finally, Dharuhk - So I.. er.. Fudged up.. I was going through my character before work today just doing a last final touch up, and I noticed that I'd completely messed up my spellcasting (I had been adding my Lyric Thaumaturge levels to my Wujen casting, but I just noticed that they specifically state they can only be added to BARD)... So that changed how my spellcasting worked, and it may take me a little longer to get my spell list fixed up...
Sorry
I still would like to be in the starting party, however. I can guarantee I'll have it up before I cast anything.
(pesky epic lvl item costs).[MENTION=6668704]Dharuhk Svahre[/MENTION]. My character was ready but then jemal wrote his tome and it was back to the drawing board. Hopefully I'll have an updated character by tomorrow.
Your comments on Knowledge checks noted. I though you wanted things other than Knowledge (History).
[MENTION=26918]JAM[/MENTION]el. I'm not ignoring your comments and hope to have a detailed response up later today.
[MENTION=2469]rangerjohn[/MENTION]. I'm a bit nervous about this game as well. As I am not really into character optimisation. But I'm willing to give it a go and see if a sub-optimal character can survive. Only downside is generating Epic characters takes a serious amount of time. That said I think I have already got a good return, just in learning how things fit together.
Your comments on Knowledge checks noted. I though you wanted things other than Knowledge (History).
[MENTION=26918]JAM[/MENTION]el. I'm not ignoring your comments and hope to have a detailed response up later today.
[MENTION=2469]rangerjohn[/MENTION]. I'm a bit nervous about this game as well. As I am not really into character optimisation. But I'm willing to give it a go and see if a sub-optimal character can survive. Only downside is generating Epic characters takes a serious amount of time. That said I think I have already got a good return, just in learning how things fit together.
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