Gay men or women who play D&D

Maxboy said:
BTW: i wonder if Gay Rpgers play Gay characters in there games?

I don't know a lot of gay gamers well enough to have a decent sample of the kinds of characters they like to play. I have certainly come across a few who were trying to be discreet about their homosexuality and who played distinctly straight characters as part of their general protective coloration. And I have known a few guys who seemed troubled or uncertain about their sexuality and who played conspicuously macho characters for whatever reasons. But there is only one gay guy who has played in more than half a dozen campaigns that I have played in or GMed. I've known him to play a straight woman and a lesbian, and lots of gay men. And of course there have been a lot of characters, probably a majority, whose sexuality was never discussed. He might have thought of those as straight. But I've never known him to play a straight man that I was aware of.

In my experience straight guys play gay characters far more often than gay guys who are out play straight male characters. But very likely my experience is unusual.

Regards,


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originally posted by Pelosan Emperor

Of course, we are both out to our gaming group (6 straight guys)... I suppose we have to be since we play in our dining room

Originally posted by Trevalon Moonleirion

I hate to hijack the thread, but the quote sort of stuck out to me... why do you have to be out since you play in the dining room?

My reading of this was that the dining room in question was not just any dining room, but "our" dining room: the dining room of the home that Pelosan shares with his gay lover. Of course, they could pretend that they were just flatmates sharing digs, unless it's a one-bedroom flat.

Regards,


Agback
 

Agback said:
In my experience straight guys play gay characters far more often than gay guys who are out play straight male characters. But very likely my experience is unusual.

When playing D&D (which I dm more often than play) most of my characters haven't been sexually defined - ie, it never came up.

In other games that is also usually the case. I have played in stright relationships in some games.

Recently I played a butler in a game (well, he was a bit more than a butler - social advisor may have been a better discription). But in a session we had a situation with a naked guy running around some gardens, and my character discretely put himself in the position to see it. The other players noticed, but their characters didn't.

Although that didn't mean that he didn't also like girls :-)

cya

Duncan
 

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Wulf, name one real individual who ever set out to do an act they considered evil. Even serial killers and tyrants are acting in what they consider to be their own best interests. The only time someone consciously sets out to do something they know is wrong is in highly emotional states, and the majority of those will cease to do those actions if they ever stop to think about them carefully.
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I think you are wrong. There are people who do things they consider evil, for the sake of the feeling the get in doing evil.

Not to totally hijack the thread, but I've been one of those people. And you're right: there's this certain sick thrill I found in hurting people and destroying beauty that's in some ways very similar to the joy I find in helping people and creating beautiful things. A lot of it, I think, for me, was in feeling powerful, and in rebelling and defying the standards of right and wrong.

It's not something I really like talking about, 'coz I don't like the person I was then, and 'coz I mainly did the sort of psychological cruelty that requires too much explaining to make a good story.

I kinda 'woke up' when I found out my best friend (at the time, I haven't spoken to her since) slept with some guy she barely knew 'coz she thought she had AIDS. It seems, even then, I had my limits. But, thinking about it, that thrill still is there in the doing of evil, I'm just a lot more disgusted by what I'd have to do to feel it.
 

You know...I fail to see why sexual preference has _anything_ to do with gaming. I'm a white male middle-class 30-something christian engineer heterosexual husband father brother son veteran paintball-playing star-gazing hockey-playing gamer cook carpenter etc. etc. etc. Not one of those things has a wit to do with any other (except maybe the father/husband part...although in 21st centuary America, not necessarily)

I have two other hobbies that are not exactly main stream: Paintball and Astronomy. Astronomy certainly has a bit of a "geek" aura about it (although I find most people still see it as somewhat cool and fascinating) and paintball probably has a worse image than D&D currently has. When I mention D&D to none gamers sure, I get comments like "Isn't that that Satanic game?" but those comments are almost invariably jokes. In my circles (and I know quite a few fundamentalist Christians), no one really believes that playing make-believe is the path to Hell. I've been playing D&D since 1979 and even at the height of the satanic fervor in the mid 80s, very few people I knew really believed there was any problem with playing the game and most of the hype was from a very vocal minority, or so it seemed to me.

When I mention paintball, some people become down right uncomfortable, almost as if I'm going to go "postal" and start blowing people away. In fact, a friend of mine who plays was reported to his manager as a possible violence risk at work specifically because he plays! Paintball players are seen as delinquent teen agers or right-wing fanatics who play "war" to train to over throw the government or some such. Parents seem far more likely to not allow their kids to play paintball out of fear of the militaristic aspects of the game than to not allow them to play D&D...(in fact, my boss is interested in bringing his son to play paintball but said his wife doesn't like the idea of the kid playing with guns! :mad:)

But just like with D&D, I patiently explain away people's ignorant fears and misconceptions whenever I can and have organized both D&D games and paintball outings for my friends and coworkers. Some of them have even converted (in fact, three members of my current group of gamers were recruited from my non-gaming coworkers). One of the guys I regularly play paintball with took part in one of the outings I organized.

My point is, gamers are no more or less a non-mainstream group than any other. Threads like this have lead me to believe that many gamers consider themselves to be part of some sort of victimized and oppressed minority. When you are denied a job or a place to live or a seat in a restaurant or forced to the back of the bus because you are carrying a PHB THEN you'll have a point. I think many people actually seek out victim status...it is just as much a part of the "us vs. them" mentality as the reverse.

I like the one POV early in this thread: the writer said he's a gamer who happens to be gay. If you define yourself primarily by your out-of-step interests and activities, then people will treat you as if you are out-of-step (duh?). If the only thing I talked about at work was D&D, then my coworkers would (rightly) think I was socially retarded.

Just as you're free to make non-mainstream choices, others are free to not accept it or like it. IMO, that's a GOOD thing (FREEDOM BABY! Yeah!). It is human nature to distrust that which is unfamilliar...lamenting that fact is about as useful as lamenting the weather.

Just my opinion. Not meant to flame anyone....
 

Duncan Haldane said:
When playing D&D (which I dm more often than play) most of my characters haven't been sexually defined - ie, it never came up.

I've never known a straight man to seriously play a gay character.

I've played female characters before, but they tend towards sexual extremes: virginal paladins or slutty whores.

The characters I identify with most strongly, my favorite characters, are stubbornly asexual. My characters tend to focus their passions into their alignment, into " the quest": smiting evil or being evil or something in between.

In the long run I'm just not into sex or romance in my games. If it's there at all for me, it's just a schtick.

Wulf
 

Uller said:

My point is, gamers are no more or less a non-mainstream group than any other. Threads like this have lead me to believe that many gamers consider themselves to be part of some sort of victimized and oppressed minority. When you are denied a job or a place to live or a seat in a restaurant or forced to the back of the bus because you are carrying a PHB THEN you'll have a point. I think many people actually seek out victim status...it is just as much a part of the "us vs. them" mentality as the reverse.

Neat point...got me thinking... but you have to admit that saying your a GAMER usually brings more hassles than is worth while... in a way we are a separate group that has values and language different from other groups. This creates a somewhat underground feeling perhaps ? Gay men probably would know better than I about "underground" culture/feeling thou.

It´s a pity we do make ourselves somewhat as victims sometimes. More I suppose we feel uncomprehended by non gamers than discriminated. If this is how we express our being "special" then its not so negative.

One should notice that in many posts here the poster is openly gay and privately gamer !! Seems to say your Gay defines very well what your about ? Gaming is still unknown territory ? Or Gays dont like nerds just like women (not all of course ) dont ?

Overall we can say RPG has very little sex in it... which does make us wonder why church people are so worried about it.
 

Kinda off topic, but please someone explain to me why black mothers are a "minority".

Im afraid that the "minority" concept for the english language doesnt match exactly our correspondent in portuguese, "minoria"

I just dont get it, minorities arent "minor in quantity" groups composed by people who have specific characteristics differing from the majority of the population of a country?

Its not the first time ive seen this example of minority specially in english, and I dont them as one, thats why Im asking.
 
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AE Mauricio !! Sabia que vc andava por aqui de vez em quando !!

Jose Guilherme aqui falando...

Sorry for the portuguese... we Brazilians are a minority here on the message board...
 

I'm a gay gamer and DM; I designed the campaign world my group plays in, and I DM it most (but not all) of the time. None of my players are gay. They all know I'm gay (I've been with my partner for 20 years, sometimes I can't make a game because I'm going to the Gay Pride March - the kind of thing that comes up in ordinary conversation), and it doesn't seem to bother them one bit.


Many of the religions in my (deity-heavy) game are accepting of gays and gay relationships, and I have no hesitation about throwing in the occasional gay NPC (or NPC couple). Some religions and/or cultures ARE homophobic, though - for the purposes of dramatic conflict.

Recently one of my players played a cleric of Sepia, our capricious and whimsical goddess of love. He played him as a bi hustler, willing to flirt (or more) with any attractive or useful character nearby. I gave him all the room he needed to do this.

One day he asked the other players "does this make you uncomfortable? I'll tone it down if it does." They all said no, they were enjoying it. I said it made ME a little uncomfortable. They were surprised. Why, they asked?

"Well, where I come from," I said, "we don't talk this way in front of the straight people."

They all told me to get over it. On the way out that evening, one of my players said, "you know, I always wanted to ask you how it feels playing straight PCs and NPCs. Isn't that a little difficult for you?" The player who played the bi cleric answered for me: "remember, in real life he did that for years. It's a survival skill. He probably has 8 ranks in it!" (He's right about my earlier days, although currently I'm about as out of the closet as possible.)

Another story: many years ago, BEFORE I came out, a female player in my game (this was a different group of gamers) played a male fighter who came acorss as effete and effeminate. A fussy man with a talent for dancing. Everyone just assumed he was meant to be gay, and she played to that assumption (although in 1-on-1 scenes she made it clear to me that he was 100% hetero).

She moved away. Years later she and her husband were visiting. By this time I WAS out. When she found out I was gay, she went apoplectic, absolutely sure that she had offended me deeply with her "ambiguous" character. She was so embarrassed! I told her not to worry about it.

Interestingly, I always play male PCs, and when their sexual orientation makes it into the plot line, they're always straight. No big deal; I think it's just a habit.

The Spectrum Rider
 

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