Gratis the healing Mage?

[Magc Rub]

Is it possible for mages (wizards) to cast curative magic's? ie: Cure moderate wounds, or Cure Lt. wounds ect... I have the impression that they can given the right circumstances.

Explanation:
- Willy, a halfling bard in my party has the feat "Scribe scroll"
- The players hand book says that Wizards, Sorcerers, & Bards cast Arcane magic.
- That means Curative spells a bard casts are Arcane & not Divine regardless of the "kind" of spell it is.
- That means if Willy scribes a Curative scroll it will still be an arcane scroll.
- That means if my Elvin Wizard 'Gratis' get a Curative type scroll from Willy, he can scribe it into his spell book & then prepare it as an arcane spell that he can use time & time again.

If this is the case Gratis is a very, VERY!!!! Happy Elf!

So what say the masses?

 

[Axiomatic Unicorn]

DMG page 203.

Among other things..

"The user must have the spell on his or her class list"

So, no.

 

[Magc Rub]

O.K. then next question. . .

Since there is a precidence for an Arcane healing spell. . . Can Gratis Create one?

 

[hong]

O.K. then next question. . .

Since there is a precidence for an Arcane healing spell. . . Can Gratis Create one?

If the DM says yes, certainly. However, healing people is the cleric's schtick. As a general rule, you should not let one class steal another class's schtick.

 

[Oni]

While ultimately up to your DM, healing magic just wasn't intended for wizards and sorcerers.

Bardic magic while being classified as arcane isn't the same as the wizards or the sorcerers, hence the seperate spell list. The reason they only really make the distinction of divine and arcane instead of each of the seperate classes is for the sake of simplicity.

The best precedent for wizard/sorcerer healing is from magic of faerun, Healing touch, which is the reverse of vampiric touch, i.e. you heal some one so much and take a like amount of damage.

 

[Caliban]

O.K. then next question. . .

Since there is a precidence for an Arcane healing spell. . . Can Gratis Create one?

You can't create one that's already in the books. In D&D it's very hard for an arcane caster to heal. There are some high level spells that can do it, and spells like Vampiric Touch or Polymorph.

 

[Magc Rub]

All personal bias aside, it is legal? There are Arcane (bard) spells that will heal, so it seems to be. This would open the field to a whack of other spells ripe for the "translation" to the way of the wizard.

 

[Arcanus]

I am probally asking a stupid question again (don't want to look it up) but can the wizard copy the scroll the bard made so to speak scribe the same scroll?

I am 99% sure he can't, but I like to see my name posted on stuff.

 

[Magc Rub]

Let me bring up the point that in 2nd edition AD&D Bards had to keep spell books. Limiting them to what ever they could scrounge up from the Mage spell list. Now in 3rd Ed. Bards have a list of their own. It is made quite clear that a Bard spell is an Arcane spell that does not rely on Devine influence/energy to work. If the folks at WTC didn't think that non-holy folk, (for lack of a better term), should be able to heal, then they wouldn't have given an Arcane magic user the access to the spells. I'm sure that they've though of the inevitable possibility of the crossovers. I'm just trying to explore a very grey spot on the rules.
It's still not going to be easy for My mage Gratis to get the spells. It will cost him, time, lots of gold, & access to a bard for study. The way that the Bard that he currently has access to lives his life at present, well he might not be around long enough for Gratis to fulfill his dreams.

Thanks to all of you who are adding your 2 cents, I really appreciate the input.

 

[med stud]

Nothing in the rules stop you from researching a healing spell, but you cannot research the healing spells that already exists. So if you want to research Arcane healing, take the idea to your DM.

(btw, dont be surprised if Swedish people find your mages name funny )