Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix SPOILERS!!!

[cignus_pfaccari]

As a side note: what are they going to do in the movies if Rowling brings Sirius back in book 7? They're screwed if she does; they specifically had him killed in the film, not "maybe killed" like in the book.

If I recall correctly, he's pretty doornail-dead in the book. I seem to remember he took a curse to the chest before falling through the portal.

It seems vastly unlikely that he'd show up in Book 7. (Or, for that matter, Regulus, who it's pointed out in Book 6 lasted a few days before the Death Eaters caught up with him)

Interestingly, AICN had some information where Ms. Rowling reviewed the OotP script and noted that they were writing themselves into a corner for the 7th movie, specifically about removing a character. Who that is, is unknown...though we might know who it is come Saturday.

Brad

 

[Shalimar]

The character that they had left out and then put back in was Kreacher.

 

[sckeener]

It seems vastly unlikely that he'd show up in Book 7. (Or, for that matter, Regulus, who it's pointed out in Book 6 lasted a few days before the Death Eaters caught up with him)

Since JKR said that we'll find out more about ghosts in the next book, I'm betting that Regulus does make an appearance.

 

[Pyrex]

As for the kids submiting to torture and not fighting back most of the kids cannot stand against an adult wizard. And none of them were tortured.

How is deliberately sequentially inflicting minor wounds over time that are intended to cause pain and bleeding not torture?

When is any punishment that leaves the child bleeding acceptable?

 

[Elf Witch]

How is deliberately sequentially inflicting minor wounds over time that are intended to cause pain and bleeding not torture?

When is any punishment that leaves the child bleeding acceptable?

I never said it was acceptable. I had to leave the theatre and I missed the mass torture scene where Dumbledore Army's is having to write lines. That did not happen in the book in the book the only child tortured was Harry and near the end Lee.

And none of the teachers knew what was happening in the book.

I saw the movie again today without the child from hell behind me so I was able to sit through the entire movie and concentrate this time.

I had some issues with it and I have no clue why they changed things. For example the scene where McCongeal is confronting Umbarge about the medeval punishment. She backs down when Umbarage basically says any interference will be considered sedition. And McCongeal backs right down. This did not happen in the book and it does not ring true for the character I don't see McCongeal backing down like that. To me it was totally out of character.

As for it being torture I think it was awful I thought it was awful in the book but JK Rowling is writing from experience and one thing that was allowed in British schools was caning. Caning leaves welts and bloody strips where it hits . It is nowhere the same as paddling. I read an interview with her about this and she said that she considered the quill along the same idea as caning. I don't know if they still allow caning in schools in Britian but it used to be quite common. In the movie and I believe the book Prisoner of Azkeban Uncle Veron's sister ask Harry if that school he goes to use a cane that she does not hold with all this touchy feely stuff.

There were a lot of boarding school stories written in Britian in the early years of the 20 th century and caning was often part of the subject. Harry Potter is part boarding school story as well as being a fantasy so Rowling drew from them for some of her inspiration.

 

[Elf Witch]

One thing that I think was downplayed mucho in the film was the occlumency. Harry is trying to talk to Dumbledore and then he's whisked away by Snape. Then he's thrust into this occlumency. I don't think that they explained to the audience what was being done and why, very well.


I thought the occlumency deserved more time and I would have really liked for them to explore Snape's motivations and memories more, as they did in the book (or was that all in HBP?) because it is important later.

One of the scenes I missed in the movie and thought was important was when Harry reads Snape's mind and see what his dad and friends did to Snape and that Lily tried to stop them. He is upset and he has a conversation with Lupin about how confused he is about his father and how upset he is about how is father was a bully and how Harry because of what Harry went though with Dudley sees a common experience between himself and Snape. Harry is disgusted with his father's behavior and feels for Snape.

It is one of my favorite parts of the book and ahows that Harry may look like James and sometimes act like James but he is not like his father that his experiences have made him a nicer more compassionate person that his father.

 

[Rykion]

The movie scene with McGonagall putting up with Umbridge giving out "lines" does not fit in with the books at all.

One of the main ideas from the books and movies is that the wizarding world is set apart from the normal world. Wizarding society is still very much 19th century in outlook. Umbridges "lines" punishment fits in with the kind of punishments doled out by some schools and homes in this timeframe. Elf Witch mentioned caning, but hitting with yardsticks, and rulers on the knuckles was also a common and brutal punishment. The more progressive wizards, like most Hogwarts teachers, would not put up with it, but many wizarding families and members of the ministry would allow it.

 

[Elf Witch]

The movie scene with McGonagall putting up with Umbridge giving out "lines" does not fit in with the books at all.

One of the main ideas from the books and movies is that the wizarding world is set apart from the normal world. Wizarding society is still very much 19th century in outlook. Umbridges "lines" punishment fits in with the kind of punishments doled out by some schools and homes in this timeframe. Elf Witch mentioned caning, but hitting with yardsticks, and rulers on the knuckles was also a common and brutal punishment. The more progressive wizards, like most Hogwarts teachers, would not put up with it, but many wizarding families and members of the ministry would allow it.

That is how I looked at it. When I was in Catholic school in the 60s here in the US the nuns used rulers and yardsticks on us. If we did something they considered we had to hold out our hand and it would get hit with a ruler you hoped that they would use the flat of the ruler because when they used the edge it hurt so much worse. Sometimes they would hit so hard it would break the skin.

Also sometimes if the nun did not know who did something wrong we all had to put our leg out and she would walk up the aisles hitting the leg of each student until the guilty party confessed or someone rated him out.

As for my parents my mom went to catholic school and she had no sympthy for us if we got hit with a ruler and she found out about it we would get spanked with either the belt or the paddle when we got home.

Now I would never allow this to happen to my child, times change what is acceptable can change as well.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

One of the scenes I missed in the movie and thought was important was when Harry reads Snape's mind and see what his dad and friends did to Snape and that Lily tried to stop them. He is upset and he has a conversation with Lupin about how confused he is about his father and how upset he is about how is father was a bully and how Harry because of what Harry went though with Dudley sees a common experience between himself and Snape. Harry is disgusted with his father's behavior and feels for Snape.

It is one of my favorite parts of the book and ahows that Harry may look like James and sometimes act like James but he is not like his father that his experiences have made him a nicer more compassionate person that his father.

It was in there. Or at least one of them was... it was a fairly quick scene. But I don't think the discussion with Lupin made it in there.

The movie scene with McGonagall putting up with Umbridge giving out "lines" does not fit in with the books at all.

I know for sure she wouldn't have put up with it... but she'd be the "lone wolf" in defending Harry as far as the movie went.... Even after her discussion with Umbridge in that one scene...

 

[Elf Witch]

It was in there. Or at least one of them was... it was a fairly quick scene. But I don't think the discussion with Lupin made it in there.



I know for sure she wouldn't have put up with it... but she'd be the "lone wolf" in defending Harry as far as the movie went.... Even after her discussion with Umbridge in that one scene...

I know the scene was in there briefly. I don't know if you have never read the books if you understand just how powerful that scene was for Harry.