Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix SPOILERS!!!

[Mimic]

How is deliberately sequentially inflicting minor wounds over time that are intended to cause pain and bleeding not torture?

When is any punishment that leaves the child bleeding acceptable?

It would seem that a lot of you didn't got to school when the strap was allowed.

I still remember the time that when the principal of the elementary school I went to broke a yard stick across the small of my back.

 

[Tetsubo]

It would seem that a lot of you didn't got to school when the strap was allowed.

I still remember the time that when the principal of the elementary school I went to broke a yard stick across the small of my back.

Causing another person pain without their consent is immoral. It has always been immoral.

And children, real or fictious, can't give consent...

 

[mmu1]

It would seem that a lot of you didn't got to school when the strap was allowed.

I still remember the time that when the principal of the elementary school I went to broke a yard stick across the small of my back.

Well, I didn't grow up in the US, so despite being relatively young, I have some experience with corporal punishment. Though it was of the relatively mild variety - hold out a hand, get smacked with a ruler, and certainly never hard enough to draw blood.

I could also expect to get spanked at home if I did something serious enough... Which, now that I think about it, was almost always about discouraging stupid and dangerous behavior rather rather than about punishment. (and was always as careful and deliberate as possible)

On the other hand, any (male) teacher who decided to break sticks across the small of my back would probably (without exaggeration) have my father out to hurt him. Badly.

 

[Mimic]

Causing another person pain without their consent is immoral. It has always been immoral.

And children, real or fictious, can't give consent...

Children can't but parents can and did.

Its funny though, to this day I still think of that principle as one of the best teachers I have ever had.

 

[Pyrex]

It would seem that a lot of you didn't got to school when the strap was allowed.

I still remember the time that when the principal of the elementary school I went to broke a yard stick across the small of my back.

In my elementary school the principal had a wooden paddle in is office and was allowed to use it.

However, where the line is drawn between discipline and abuse seems to vary depending on which side of the pond you're on.

Forcing a student to cut themselves for hours is quite different than a few whacks with a paddle/belt/yardstick.

 

[kingpaul]

In my elementary school the principal had a wooden paddle in is office and was allowed to use it.

The last school spanking that I recall was when I was in 4th grade ('84).

 

[Elf Witch]

Causing another person pain without their consent is immoral. It has always been immoral.

And children, real or fictious, can't give consent...

The whole point of the Umbrage and the Quill is to show how evil she is you are supposed to hate her for that and for some of the other things she is doing.

One of the reasons I pointed out caning was because some people seem to think that the wizard children and the wizard parents would have fought back and so it made no sense to have it in the movie. And some of us are pointing out that forms of corporal punishment have always been around and what some parents supported it.

BTW I have an adult son I never hit him nor alllowed the school to lay a finger on him because I don't believe in hitting children.

 

[Pyrex]

The last school spanking that I recall was when I was in 4th grade ('84).

For me it was 3rd grade (um... '85?); but that's not really the point.

What I was getting at is that there is a *huge* difference in what people believe (especially across national borders) is acceptable punishment/discipline for children and what is not.

I consider paddling/spanking to be acceptable. I would *not* consider having children cutting lines into their own hands acceptable. YMMV.

 

[Steel_Wind]

The character that they had left out and then put back in was Kreacher.

Yup. Kreacher has his role to play in Deathly Hallows and HBP for that matter.

 

[sckeener]

I'm currently rereading the book and one of the things that always annoyed me about this book was Harry being trained by Snape. The last time Harry had trouble with a spell (the summoning charm in GoF) Hermione recommended the library and studying the theroy of the spell....I just don't get why Harry didn't do that this time...why he didn't pursue any other means of learning the subject....

The main reason I don't understand is because it was Snape... I would figure Harry would want to prevent Snape from gaining access to his mind.

And I totally understand the problem from Snape's point of view...I mean if the dark lord is gaining access to Harry the last thing you want to be seen doing is helping the boy block the dark lord.... Dumbledore should have realized that issue so I am unclear why he placed Snape in such a bad position.