Haste - Charge and then Partial Charge (or vice-versa)

[Artoomis]

Opinions, please:

Can you use Ride-by Attack with Haste to charge right by an enemy (hitting him once) and end up past him (completing a charge action) and then turn around and do it again using Partial Charge for your Haste-granted partial action? In other words, can your charge and partial charge be in different directions?

Given that a charge action requires:

The combatant must move before attacking, not after. The combatant must move at least 10 feet and may move up to double base speed. All movement must be in a straight line, with no backing up allowed. The charge stops as soon as the combatant threatens the target. A combatant can't run past the target and attack from another direction.

and:

Ride-By Attack changes this by allowing:

...the character may move and attack as with a standard charge and then move again (continuing the straight line of the charge).

and:

that a partial charge is the same as a charge except you may move only up to your movement rate, instead of double your movement rate

and, finally, noting that the restriction for a charge appears to be with the action, not the round.

 

[Dr_Rictus]

Skip Williams has indicated that the intention of the straight-line restriction was that it apply to round (so you could not, for example, move and then ready a partial charge in a different direction). I agree that this restriction is probably a good idea, despite wording of the text, while not quite explicit, tending to imply otherwise.

 

[noretoc]

I see no problem with it. With haste you can make your movement, atack then with the partial action move away. Why now use it for a charge. I look at the hasted action as a completley seperate action which has no effect on the other actions of the round. (for the most part.)

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

Artoomis,

Is that canine-riding Halfling of yours practicing his version of Follow the yellow brick road!

My reading of the spirit of the rules says you cannot change directions.

My reading of the letter of the rules says you can.

Take that for what you will; it is just my opinion. The charge rules are a bit muddy, especially with respect to partial charges.

P.S. How is that paladin working out?

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

I see no problem with it. With haste you can make your movement, atack then with the partial action move away. Why now use it for a charge. I look at the hasted action as a completley seperate action which has no effect on the other actions of the round. (for the most part.)

A good point. Not one that I agree with but I think I can see where you are coming from.

(I will refrain from bringing up 5' steps. Did I say that aloud? )

 

[Crothian]

Don't you need a haste on the rider and the mount? The rider needs haste to prefrom two charges, but the Mount also needs Haste because without it all his movement would be used in the first charge.

 

[IceBear]

I'm going with the spirit of the rules or you get into the problem of moving 30feet in one direction, readying an action and then being able to partial charge in another direction, which is against the spirit of the charge rules, imo.

IceBear

 

[Artoomis]

Don't you need a haste on the rider and the mount? The rider needs haste to prefrom two charges, but the Mount also needs Haste because without it all his movement would be used in the first charge.

Quote right - two Hastes, then, or one Mass haste.

 

[Artoomis]

Skip Williams has indicated that the intention of the straight-line restriction was that it apply to round (so you could not, for example, move and then ready a partial charge in a different direction). I agree that this restriction is probably a good idea, despite wording of the text, while not quite explicit, tending to imply otherwise.

Yes, but he said this in a totally different context, so it would not apply here.

I'll try asking him, but he hasn't answered my last two or three questions.

 

[IceBear]

Yes, but he said this in a totally different context, so it would not apply here.

I'll try asking him, but he hasn't answered my last two or three questions.

But can you say that the partial action from haste is seperate from the rest of the round with regards to haste in this circumstance, and not as a seperate round for 5-ft step.

(Oh, I shouldn't have opened that can of worms ).

IceBear