My thought is that since Peter never saved Claire in this particular future, he never got her healing powers which means he can be scarred. Past Hiro (Hiro Prime or HP) jumping here causes Particular Future Hiro (PFH) to jump back and warn Peter to save Claire to prevent Sylar from getting her powers.
It appears that PFH's warning Peter altered the time line in the future to where Claire is still alive but since HP has not killed Sylar yet in the past the bleak future still exists with the Claire altereration (of course it can never really go totally away or there would be not PFH warning to Peter - damn paradoxes).
My thought is that since Peter never saved Claire in this particular future (but she's still alive - implication - Sylar never killed her - only Jackie, and so Sylar never regenerated and Future_Hiro's got something wrong...), and so Peter never got her healing powers which means he can be scarred. Past Hiro (Hiro Prime or HP) jumping here causes Particular Future Hiro (PFH) to jump back and warn Peter to save Claire to prevent Sylar from getting her powers.
While I agree that Peter appears not to have saved Claire in this future, Future_Hiro already brought the message to Peter (which is good - because he's dead before he could ever deliver it otherwise!).
The graphic novel confirms that Future _Hiro went to the past to bring the StCStW mesage to Peter Petrelli. Immediately upon returning to the future, he encounters Present Hiro in Isaac's loft.
The whole issue with Claire and Peter's scar is very equivocal.
While I agree that Peter appears not to have saved Claire in this future, Future_Hiro already brought the message to Peter (which is good - because he's dead before he could ever deliver it otherwise!).
I've heard a few folks that think he didn't save Claire in the revised timeline, but I don't think that is automatically a given. Claire obviously WAS saved, since she's not dad. I've heard plenty of folks that think her death was faked and that she never met the Petrelli's and so on, but the show doesn't say that. It's just as likely that she went into hiding along with lots of other folks with powers after the blast.
I think Hiro is immune to his own paradox, just like being able to remember timelines before he altered them.
She is not obviously saved simply because she's not dead. The only reason we have to say she was supposed to have died at all is Hiro. Hiro says this because there is a newspaper report of a cheerleader in Texas who saves someone in a fire, who then is later reported dead with her head cut open a la Sylar. That someone is Jackie - not Claire. Claire is not the person who saved anyone in a fire as far as the media is concerned. The picture Isaac draws in 9th Wonders is equivocal as to who is dead - as there is trauma to the head.
Hiro believes it was Claire who dies because he believes that Sylar regenerates - but Hiro may be wrong.
Hiro believes that he stabbed Sylar and that he regenerated and blew up. Hiro may be wrong about that too.
The problem of course is that Jackie is the explanation for the dead cheerleader, that Claire may never have been caught by Sylar at all if Hiro had done nothing to try and stop it - and there may be some other explanation for a regenerating Sylar (as in - was never Sylar to begin with, Linderman heals him on the sly - *something* ) and - above all - Peter still has a scar.
So no. It's not obvious that Claire was saved just because she's alive - because she may never have been killed in the first place. Ok?
Worse, we have HRG turning in future Hiro just because he believes that Peter Petrelli saved Claire at homecoming. The Company and Nathan and all the rest know about Claire for events afterward in "our" timeline, so why would knowing about Homecoming and that Claire was saved there lead HRG to turn Hiro in?
Unless of course in the alternate future, nobody was supposed to know that it wasn't Claire who died at homecoming.
If your only method of discussing the show is to point out that everything is a falsehood, then why bother trying to work within the framework for discussion?
Seriously, Hiro says he healed when he was stabbed, and he found the cheerleader and prevented Sylar from getting the power. Is it possible that's all some fabrication? Certainly so, but then for all we know the entire future jump was just a hallucination brought on by Isaac's drugs and nothing has happened at all.
I didn't say that Claire being alive was proof that Peter had saved her. I said that her being in hiding doesn't mean he didn't save her.
If your only method of discussing the show is to point out that everything is a falsehood, then why bother trying to work within the framework for discussion?
The writers have rather carefully built in a LOT of ambiguity and false "future clues" and prophecy in the show. Pointing those out is hardly "stepping outside the framework for discussion".
The writers have rather carefully built in a LOT of ambiguity and false "future clues" and prophecy in the show. Pointing those out is hardly "stepping outside the framework for discussion".
Ambiguity is not as omnipresent as you seem to think. The paintings might be open to some interpretation, but otherwise facts that have been presented as facts have not been contradicted at later points with any sort of regularity.
The paintings are not cut & dry, true. That doesn't mean that everything is a lie until conclusively proven. I'm still not sure how this builds to my point that Claire's being in hiding doesn't mean Peter doesn't save her.
I wonder if it was ever established that Claire was Nathan's daughter except for her actions after Peter saved her, it's possible Bennet knew of course, but he only really knew her Mother so far as we know.
It'll be interesting to see how deep in with Primatech Linderman is.
She is not obviously saved simply because she's not dead. The only reason we have to say she was supposed to have died at all is Hiro. Hiro says this because there is a newspaper report of a cheerleader in Texas who saves someone in a fire, who then is later reported dead with her head cut open a la Sylar. That someone is Jackie - not Claire. Claire is not the person who saved anyone in a fire as far as the media is concerned. The picture Isaac draws in 9th Wonders is equivocal as to who is dead - as there is trauma to the head.
Hiro believes it was Claire who dies because he believes that Sylar regenerates - but Hiro may be wrong.
Hiro believes that he stabbed Sylar and that he regenerated and blew up. Hiro may be wrong about that too.
The problem of course is that Jackie is the explanation for the dead cheerleader, that Claire may never have been caught by Sylar at all if Hiro had done nothing to try and stop it - and there may be some other explanation for a regenerating Sylar (as in - was never Sylar to begin with, Linderman heals him on the sly - *something* ) and - above all - Peter still has a scar.
So no. It's not obvious that Claire was saved just because she's alive - because she may never have been killed in the first place. Ok?
Worse, we have HRG turning in future Hiro just because he believes that Peter Petrelli saved Claire at homecoming. The Company and Nathan and all the rest know about Claire for events afterward in "our" timeline, so why would knowing about Homecoming and that Claire was saved there lead HRG to turn Hiro in?
Unless of course in the alternate future, nobody was supposed to know that it wasn't Claire who died at homecoming.
Hiro wants the cheerleader saved by Peter so Sylar doesn't get the healing power. It has nothing to do with Issac's painting at this point. Hiro believes that he stabs Sylar and he heals and blows up. So Sylar needs to be stopped from getting the power which means that he has to kill Claire to get it. It's that simple.
I'd allow that she may not have died in the first place with all the illusion stuff going on and the possibility that he stabbed Peter instead who looked like Sylar for whatever reason, healed and blew up. But that just doesn't add up. Care to take another stab?
I'd allow that she may not have died in the first place with all the illusion stuff going on and the possibility that he stabbed Peter instead who looked like Sylar for whatever reason, healed and blew up. But that just doesn't add up. Care to take another stab?
We know that first time through, Hiro stabs Sylar, but Sylar regenerates. We DON'T know that Sylar explodes!!! Future Hiro assumes this to be true since Sylar is the Big Bad Evil Guy and Future Nathan (
actually Sylar himself
) later blames the explosion on Sylar. But it is
Peter that explodes instead
! Future Hiro is duped by Sylar!!!
Future Hiro warns Peter to save the cheerleader, which he does, but this has very little effect on the timeline. Does Hiro stab a non-regenerating Sylar? Does Hiro stab (or also stab) a regenerating
Peter
? What is the result? We don't yet know of course!
When Sylar kills Claire, he says something to the effect of not being able to be stopped, now. Since Isaac's death was what, between 1 day and 1 week before the big boom, then he has to come into contact with Claire, kill her, and then explode. He can meet and kill Nathan later, and Ted as well--he was using the "cold" version of Ted's power, while Peter was using the "hot" version. To my mind this is proof that Peter has a more intuitive and immediate grasp of powers gained, while Sylar is better at sussing out the particulars of how and how far, where powers are concerned--Peter is the exploding man, and survived because he regenerates. Besides, he says that's what happened.
And it seems that Hiro is somewhat immune to his own time traveling and the changes that result. Future Hiro's memory is not altered and he is unsure if the cheerleader was saved. The newspaper clippings still showed Claire as a grisly murder victim. And if you check out the most recent graphic novel, you find that Future Hiro has only been "back to the future" for a very brief time before running into Present Day Hiro.
I agree that Future Hiro has not been back long. Does now Hiro come into contact with Claire? I don't remember seeing this. And has now Peter even spoken to Hiro since Claire's rescue? Maybe future Hiro is unaware because now Hiro never knew? I may be forgetting something.
I think that until Hiro actually lives through a given moment, it is still up in the air, but once it occurs with him in it, it is next to impossible to alter. This is why he couldn't save his girlfriend, because he didn't have enough knowledge of the how and when, and he lacked the sword, which gave him focus, and, more importantly, confidence.
Additionally, Hiro has not stabbed anyone, yet. Future Hiro never did it, and Isaac's unpublished 9th Wonders comic was the only clue that it would happen in the new timeline. Future Hiro gives it to his younger self, and now, it will happen. There was ascene in the previews where Hiro was about to attack Sylar, stepping between moments or something, and Sylar actually HEARS him moving. The fact that he comes back next season doesn't bode well for Nathan or Ted.
Not until next week, anyways 
