Blind people.darthkilmor said:No real valid reason to keep them apart. (kind of like how there's no more intuit direction imho).
Felix said:Blind people.
Deaf people.
Invisibility.
Silence.
Neon signs.
These are not valid?
Which is to say that they remain seperate skills, but a rank in one immediately buys you a rank in the others.ehren37 said:We have certain skills with sub skills. The skill is stealth - you buy ranks in that, and typically roll that. You also have a hide and move silently score, which might come into play in certain situations.
Similarly, Notice has search, spot, and listen sub skills. A race might get a bonus on one, that doesnt apply to another.
Balance and Tumble are both in acrobatics. A 4 legged creature gets a bonus to Balance, but not Tumble (or Acrobatics).
Felix said:Blind people.
Deaf people.
Invisibility.
Silence.
Neon signs.
These are not valid?
Sure: you've got to plan ahead to work around them, or contrive some arbitrary solution to a problem that the combination of skills created. Have at it if you like.darthkilmor said:I'd say there situations that would require arbitration and or something worked out for them. Honestly I've not ran these games much with the hide + MS combined to run into any problems yet.
Close your eyes. Really: close 'em.Ok so I think silence is a good point. For silence, there probably should be some check to notice the complete lack of sound coming from an area, especially the closer you are to the area affected. Invisibilty has skillcheck ways to be noticed, so should silence.
Felix said:You heardthat? That white noise? Maybe your computer; maybe your radio; maybe the dishwasher running. Because you can hear those sounds are you so sure there isn't a 15' ft radius of silence in the corner?
I can understand if you see a vase fall and no crashing sound reaches your ears; or if the 15ft radius envelops you; but to know that there is an area of silence because, "That 15ft radius over there isn't making as much paint-peeling noise as usual!"?
So purchasing both Hide and Move Silently is too expensive. Ok. So don't max them out.Combining them makes a ton of sense. None of the classes get "enough" skill points, and anyone who calls the rogue skillpoint heavy hasn't really played one in a campaign where you need all those skills.