tiem for another multi-quoteathon. I wish there was a tool for this...
I snipped a few bits out for brevity, I hope I didn't lose any context. Just trying to respond to stuff.
If I thought you were a jerk I wouldn't engage in conversation.
Glad we are able to keep it civil. I'm not sure where some cranky people were coming from honestly, since we seem to be conversing just fine.
For the record, I apparently don't want gay in my game, which is not the same as gays AT my game. But I also don't want racism or sexism. As such, bad treatment of PCs over race, gender or gender preference don't happen.
But that's not to say PCs don't have race, gender or preference. We just don't have issues over such things.
For gay people to get more than what the majority gets, we'd have to get the same first. Alas, we don't.
I do not disagree with that. Nor am I against the stuff that others have.
Not gonna happen. Been there and almost killed me (literally). I deserve better. Everyone does.
And I alluded to bad stuff happening to people. I'm sorry you've experienced bad stuff and bad behavior by humans.
People have died to defend the rights that allow me to get to the street and say I am gay without being arrested.
To stand up for my sexual identity is the least I owe those people.
While doing nothing will get you nothing, and my default solution proposal is to have a violence party, the little Ghandi sitting on my shoulder advises otherwise. So I listen to him.
The potential for plot device by using gay relationships without the need of sexualising them is pretty huge.
Accepting that we don't have bad stuff happen to you in our game because you're gay (in some ways because it strikes WAY to close to home for some people), you could have those same relationship things being straight or gay. The gender don't matter.
However, the relationship stuff itself doesn't happen. For whatever reason, most folks don't establish romantic relationships or what not period. Gender don't even come up.
No, no.. I didn't mention anything to do with sex. It was to do with sexual orientation. Also I was talking about games other than D&D.
And that would have consequences that the players could face. Same as for being gay or dealing with a gay foe.
Which is ignoring a massive part of the society of the game where you're playing. Specially in games with a resemblance closer to our own world. Homosexuality has existed since ever, including the middle ages!
While I'm using D&D as a standard of some sort. yes, there are other RPGs out there, and some DO focus on relationships. Most focus on killing monsters, mecha or spaceships and taking their stuff.
As said in some other post or here, anti-homesexuality behavior falls into the "hating on group of people" bucket that we avoid. I bet most people avoid it. So being gay gets glossed over, as being black would get glossed over in Call of Cthulu 1920's. Nobody's going to change the focus of the game of running from monsters to the KKK just picked up Clyde and they're gonna sacrifice him to Cthulu.
And yet, you won't find (as far as I know) a male succubus hitting on guys.
A sucubus chooses the mode that will work. Assuming a sucubus can't change its gender, a male sucubus isn't going to try to seduce straight guys because he knows it won't work. A sucubus knows its audience and use its weapon where it will work.
Interesting study I saw this week on that. They developed a retina scanning test to detect sexual interest recently which then indicates sexual preference. They showed men and women pictures of solo women and men entertaining themselves. They detected that straight men trended to not get aroused when looking at men (no gay reaction if you will). They detected that women go aroused from pictures of men AND women.
I will trust the science enough to conclude a generalization that straight men probably won't react to a male sucubus. But straight women MIGHT react to a female sucubus.
Nop. Don't think that being gay doesn't have an impact on the way you see non-sexual relationships.
And I do play through those things. In fact, there are games out there that work around playing that sort of stuff. Annalise springs to mind.
I think quite a few people use them. At least in the groups around where I am. I wonder if the difference of character approach between different countries has something to do with it.
There could be country differences. And if you're an oppressed minority, it probably does alter your mindset compared to mine. Let's pretend, my mindset represents the majority. Terrifyingly unrealistic, I know.
Where the issues a minority faces affects their outlook, a non-oppressed majority doesn't think about their status or nature. I don't worry about how people will percieve me or my gender preference. It's not even on my mind.
I am totally clueless about the problems you face, and instead, spend my time pondering the nature of the universe and what I will have for lunch. And whether that human of my of my preferred gender over there is hot (because humans do think about sex a lot).
I hope one day, we can all be as oblivious as me.
And yet she'd be a goddess. Not a god of love.
You don't need to make special straight gods because they *are* straight by default. Again, who many relationships between gods do you know that are gay and how many that are straight?
And because in my dim-view, girls are apparently more likely to be bi than guys. And women are hot. because I'm a straight guy. See my next response for a better answer.
I feel you contradict yourself there somewhat. You say there is simply a lack of specific reference, but you also say you're not intending to make them. There is certain implication that because you're not gay, you don't want to contemplate it. I might be reading you wrong there, please correct me if that is the case.
I suspect you do not know what it is to be unburdened by not thinking. Feel free to giggle at my expense at that.
I don't think of gay stuff, not because I am excluding it, but because it is the furthest thing on my mind. It is the same a me not putting the trash on the curb on my way to work. Because I am totally not thinking about the trash, and instead pondering some new design as I load up my truck and head to the office.
It would not occur to me to put gay stuff in because I don't think about gay stuff. Gay ideas don't flow in my brain, as it were. If I had a gay player, that might remind me to consider it.
But then I would have a new problem of whether my "gay material" was offensive to the gay person. I may be better to just run my game as I always do, rather than putting in some gay stereotype NPC because that's all I understand. I certainly wouldn't want to dredge up bad experiences for the player by simulating anti-gay bigotry in the game.
Actually, why not? What would it be like if your character were hired by a homophobe to track down anyone who's gay in a city and kill them?
If they decide to take the thing on board, later the players could find that the employer just wants to get rid of a few people in the city to eliminate enemies and expand his/her sphere of influence.
Because Homophobia is akin to racism, and "we" all know racism is bad. Therefore I would be wary to engage the PCs in it.
There's plenty of non-hate-crime, crime for the PCs to engage in, without me trying to muddy things up in social/political issues of serious nature.
And that is a key sentence: "presume gender roles".
I have. My players have had to face a succubus who started to seduce them to try and steal a powerful artefact they had retrieved from an ancient ruin.
If I don't have a thought to make something different, I rely on my default assumption. It works for me.
And do we have to be the same in RPGs. Do we have to conform? Can't we be better than that?
I may have lost context on your response here. Sorry.
You can play what you want, how you want. I've merely taken it on to describe what I suspect is a majority opinion (that's big hubris there).
Folks don't get all mushy in their RPGs. And many folks wish nothing but good things for you and everybody else.
Which is a very, very sad state of affairs that doesn't have to be static.
Oh, I am not rushing anyone. You will not hear/read me rally people to sign petitions to WotC to include gay stuff in D&D 5th Ed.
But you will hear me raise awareness and, hopefully, making people think.
You have made people think. Which enables them to consider using your ideas or not. Versus not having the idea in their head at all.
