Homosexuality in your games

[Neonchameleon]

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[Leviatham]

Perhaps, it is because challenges facing gays is all you think about.

No sir. I think about many other things. That statement was painful to read because to reduce gay identity to just the people you have sex with is very, very sad.

Is the only thing that defines you as a straight man the fact that you have sex with women?

You raised up scenes to role play with parents, etc with regards to your gay PC.

Yes, as examples of ways to implement homosexuality in games that could enrich the story and the character development without having to go the sexual route.

Straight players in RPGs don't play out such challenges. Nobody's parent challenges their right to be an adventurer or who their SO is in most D&D games.

So, in D&D-land, when you say your PC is gay, it's like Battlestar Galactica where a woman is president. Nobody blinks an eye.

Not true. I have played gay characters and people blinked eyes. Many eyes. In fact, all their eyes!

You are approaching the topic as somebody facing adversity. I'm advocating a world where nobody give's a rat's arse that you're gay. It makes no difference.

However, there is adversity. There is adversity and resistance from some people to including gay references in the worlds/campaigns/characters.

It does make a difference.

And, as a disclaimer and to avoid being accused of this again: I don't think that the adversity *has* to be product of bigotry.

And in D&D land, that's the way it works for most players. because they DON'T get into such stuff. Your PC's parents love you and support you unless you say otherwise in your backstory or the GM wants to yank your chain. None of that has to do with your sexual orientation in D&D land.

D&D is not the only game out there, though.

Also, the original question was why don't people say otherwise?

It would be kind of like a black player wanting to play some kind of abolitionist PC to help free black people (not even adapting it to some D&D race). What the player missed in the campaign notes is that the campaign doesn't have any abject racism on the part of any of the playable races.

One reason for that is, we all know racism and sexism is wrong, so we deliberately make our playable PC races and cultures free of that sin.

But I am not advocating playing gay liberationists or even activists. Simply, playing gay characters like you can play female characters, or black or any other type.

thus, where you live in a world where gay is different and has issues, and expect to see it come up in play, many of us play in a world where it's not a problem. And it never was. And if it never was a problem for gay people, those gay people would think and be treated differently than you.

Again, it's not a matter of including the just the problematic or sexual side of homosexuality. It's about the non-inclusion of gay identity as part of the world or part of the characters.

MLK's successful culmination of his dream should mean that the black people of the future are unburdened by the troubles and experiences of the past. They don't get seen as different. They don't get treated different. And in that world, those children won't wonder if wearing a hoodie will get them shot because it doesn't happen.

And for that to happen there needs to be awareness and experience. I am advocating the same for gay people.

Why is that an issue?

 

[Morrus]

Being on my phone and not at home, I haven't been able to read this thread properly; but I can see some fairly serious accusations in the post above this one [edit - two posts above] and seen some post reports with strong profane language in them, along with people discussing moderation in-thread, which is usually an excellent sign a thread's gotten out of hand.


Since I'm not in a position to actually verify them (and won't be this weekend), I'm going to close the thread for the moment - better to be safe than sorry. Another mod might open it again after reviewing it or they might not. Otherwise I'll take a look in more detail when I get the chance.