How many people can be in a 5'X5' square?
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What pontus said. Also, if you're sharing a square with someone, and you get popped with a fireball, you just gave up any chance at a saving throw, even if you're a 250th level rogue, but the worst part is that if you're denied your save, evasion doesn't help you one bit.
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Generally, you can only have one active, medium sized critter per 5' square. The only exception I can think of is grappling, and moving through (but not staying in) a square. So, yes, they'd generally be in a single file, but they can change the order with no problem, as you can move through squares containing allies with no penalty.
two more questions,
A) if you approach a party of 6 from the side with everyone in their own 5by5 square (at least when you arrive) and attack the second person in the line how many other people can attack you?
B) if you approach a party of 6 walking 2 abreast down a 10 foot wide corridor and you approach the rear pair and attack. On the following round how many of them will be able to attack you?
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A) if you approach a party of 6 from the side with everyone in their own 5by5 square (at least when you arrive) and attack the second person in the line how many other people can attack you?
B) if you approach a party of 6 walking 2 abreast down a 10 foot wide corridor and you approach the rear pair and attack. On the following round how many of them will be able to attack you?
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Is this your personal feeling on the subject, a house rule you've implemented in your own campaign or some obscure quasi-official rule I'm unaware of?kreynolds said:
As to your second two questions:
A) 1,2,3 in the line can attack you without moving, assuming space was available 4 could make a 5' step and still get a full attack and 5 and 6 could probably move and attack without provoking an AoO.
B) Since you can move through other party members as long as the party didn't mind some AoO's all but one of them could move into a position of attacking you, if no one moved only the rear two could attack.
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I think it is pretty much a DM's call whether sharing a square meets the qualification for a "completely restrictive area". I don't think any feet have gone in mouth here. It certainly does not explicity state that sharing a square causes you to lose your reflex saves.
A prone character can share a square with a standing character - do they both lose their reflex saves as a result? I don't think so.
A prone character can share a square with a standing character - do they both lose their reflex saves as a result? I don't think so.
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kreynolds said:
DMG, page 76, Evasion and Improved Evasion:
As with a Reflex save for any creature, a character must have room to move in order to evade. A bound character or one in a completely restrictive area (crawling through a 2 1/2 foot-wide shaft, for example) cannot use evasion.
Hope you like the taste of your own foot.
Ahh... so then it would be option A:
Your personal feeling on the subject since it seems quite a reach to assume that two people occuping the same 5' square is the same thing as being bound or in a 2.5 foot wide shaft especially if said character is a 250th level rogue (if such a thing were ever to exist). For a 5 ft. square to be as crowded as a 2.5 foot wide shaft it would have to be occupied by four people and four people would essentially have to occupy all the adjacent squares as well.
Your perfectly entitled to your opinion, under certain conditions I even agree with you, but it never explicitly says that if two characters occupy the same square the don't get reflex saves. My contention would be that they don't say much at all about the possibility of two people occupying the same square.
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