D&D (2024) I am so torn [UPDATE: I bought it]

[mamba]

I already made one quite a ways back, and repeated it to you several times: that someone wants to use 5E 2024 SRD material, but back-converted to an SRD only found under the OGL. I notice that you ignored this, despite it having been raised more than once...

I wanted an example, I understand your scenario, I just do not believe it is more than just theoretical however... As I said a few times, I don't think there is anything in the 2024 SRD anyone using the OGL would need, they could just as well stick with 5.1 which is under the OGL

I'm curious why you seem to have selectively forgotten the case that I already made

I have not forgotten it, I do not consider it a case, I consider it a working assumption at best

 

[Alzrius]

I wanted an example, I understand your scenario, I just do not believe it is more than just theoretical however...

Everything's theoretical until it happens. The entire point of making things easy for the community at large is that no single person can anticipate what someone else will want to do, and so it makes the most sense to make things as straightforward as possible to abet creativity. Given that you've already admitted there's no reason for WotC not to do that, then this being (supposedly) theoretical is irrelevant.

As I said a few times, I don't think there is anything in the 2024 SRD anyone using the OGL would need, they could just as well stick with 5.1 which is under the OGL

Well, given that the 2024 SRD isn't even out yet, that conclusion seems entirely premature on your part.

I have not forgotten it, I do not consider it a case, I consider it a working assumption at best

That's what a "case" constitutes in this context.

Of course, the entire idea of asking for a "case" is itself a flawed assumption, since you've already admitted that there's no reason for WotC not to do this. Ergo, a case is unnecessary, by your own reasoning.

 

[mamba]

Well, given that the 2024 SRD isn't even out yet, that conclusion seems entirely premature on your part.

ha, I expected something along those lines. I am assuming it is an update of what is currently in the SRD, if you have a different opinion, let me know

Of course, the entire idea of asking for a "case" is itself a flawed assumption, since you've already admitted that there's no reason for WotC not to do this. Ergo, a case is unnecessary, by your own reasoning.

A case is not needed for WotC to release it under the OGL, agreed. I was more interested in why you think it is so important for them to do so, but I guess that remains the vague 'someone, somewhere might want to use it eventually'

 

[Alzrius]

ha, I expected something along those lines. I am assuming it is an update of what is currently in the SRD, if you have a different opinion, let me know

I'm presuming that there's going to be multiple points of salient difference, since otherwise it'd be hard to justify the existence of a separate SRD.

A case is not needed for WotC to release it under the OGL, agreed. I was more interested in why you think it is so important for them to do so

I'm more interested in why you repeatedly asked about a case, if you're now admitting that such a thing isn't needed at all.

 

[Fifth Element]

I hope you're right, but I strongly suspect WotC isn't targeting hard-core D&D players. They haven't done that with anything in years.

"Hard-core" being a meaningless self-identifying term, how could they?

 

[mamba]

I'm presuming that there's going to be multiple points of salient difference, since otherwise it'd be hard to justify the existence of a separate SRD.

updated monster stas etc. are enough of a case for it already. Remember, the SRD exists so people make 2024 compatible material, not so the OSR can take some stuff from it, and no one making material for 2024 would take the OGL over the CC...

I'm more interested in why you repeatedly asked about a case, if you're now admitting that such a thing isn't needed at all.

there is no admitting here, that was obvious from the start. My question is what the need for it is, and whenever I do that, all you do is break into a complicated dance

 

[Alzrius]

updated monster stas etc. are enough of a case for it already. Remember, the SRD exists so people make 2024 compatible material, not so the OSR can take some stuff from it, and no one making material for 2024 would take the OGL over the CC...

The SRD exists so that the people who use it can put it to whatever use they want. And no one person has the standing to say what everyone else would or would not do.

there is no admitting here, that was obvious from the start. My question is what the need for it is, and whenever I do that, all you do is break into a complicated dance

No, you're wrong again. I've repeatedly answered your questions, including pointing out the fault of discussing this in terms of "need" (which you ignored), what the hypothetical "case" would be (which you said didn't match the made-up terminology of what a "case" was), why there's no need to justify the merit of this action (which you agreed with, and then went and asked for the merit anyway). So the only dancer here is you.

 

[Micah Sweet]

"Hard-core" being a meaningless self-identifying term, how could they?

I'm not the one who first used it in this thread.

 

[mamba]

The SRD exists so that the people who use it can put it to whatever use they want.

no, it can be used for anything, but that is not really why WotC created it. It's just a side-effect of it existing

No, you're wrong again. I've repeatedly answered your questions, including pointing out the fault of discussing this in terms of "need"

well, if you now say that there is not really a need, then I guess that is what I have been saying all along

there's no need to justify the merit of this action (which you agreed with, and then went and asked for the merit anyway)

I asked for why you consider it important, that is a different question, and one for which the best answer so far was 'because someone, somewhere, sometime, might possibly save some money by not having to ask a lawyer how to incorporate something that is under CC'

 

[Alzrius]

no, it can be used for anything, but that is not really why WotC created it. It's just a side-effect of it existing

It's the entire point of it existing.

well, if you now say that there is not really a need, then I guess that is what I have been saying all along

On the contrary, leaving aside your deliberate conflation of the word "need" being useless in this discussion with the merit of releasing the 5E 2024 SRD under the OGL, you're the one who's agreed with each and every one of my points so far, e.g. that there's no need for a "case," that there's no reason for WotC not to release the 5E 2024 SRD under the OGL, and that trying to use both licenses at once in the same product is a burden. Anything else you'd like to admit I'm right about?