D&D (2024) I am so torn [UPDATE: I bought it]

[ECMO3]

Why do people think these are mutually exclusive?

Because we are talking about their reason for doing something.

Opening up DNDB to other creators to increase their bottom line is a good thing, but that is different than saying it is an act of good faith.

 

[Alzrius]

when you said it is the reason for its existence, you brought up purpose, I just disagreed with your stated purpose

No, that's your tangent, and as I've pointed out before, it's an irrelevant one since it doesn't matter; WotC can't control what people use it for, so who cares what their "purpose" for making it is?

I agreed with you, there was nothing to admit, I never disagreed with those parts

Repeatedly saying that a "case" needed to be made for releasing the 5.2 SRD under the OGL, only to then agree that no such case was necessary, is an admission.

This is going nowhere…

That is where you keep directing the discussion.

related question, do you think having 3e in CC is more important or 2024 under OGL? I know they can do both, that is not the point and not what I am asking

I'd prefer that they put the 5.2 SRD under the OGL, simply because the OGL already has a great deal of recursively-generated Open Game Content (i.e. OGC that modifies OGC which is itself modified OGC which is itself modified OGC ad infinitum). Porting the 3.5 SRD over to the CC doesn't let you continue that level of recursion (otherwise known as the "virtuous circle") unless everyone in that chain subsequently re-releases their content under the CC, which isn't going to happen since some of those old companies aren't around anymore.

 

[Reynard]

Because we are talking about their reason for doing something.

Opening up DNDB to other creators to increase their bottom line is a good thing, but that is different than saying it is an act of good faith.

I think it is not only possible buy likely that when they were sitting around talking about how to make more money,they ALSO talked about how to support the community beyond WotC customers and how to build good will in light of a big messy mistake.

 

[Reynard]

This has been fun and y'all are free to continue arguing about stuff, but I broke on the side of "buy it."

Thanks everyone.

 

[mamba]

Repeatedly saying that a "case" needed to be made for releasing the 5.2 SRD under the OGL, only to then agree that no such case was necessary, is an admission.

I never said WotC needed a case, I was asking for an example for what you think anyone would use from the 2024 SRD in OGL products, and you still have not provided one

So stop twisting things around that I then need to correct, it is getting old at this point

That is where you keep directing the discussion.

or maybe we get there because you keep on making the same false claims about what I wrote, apart from it being pretty clear that we won’t agree on the actual subject

 

[Remathilis]

This has been fun and y'all are free to continue arguing about stuff, but I broke on the side of "buy it."

Thanks everyone.

Enjoy!

 

[mamba]

I think it is not only possible buy likely that when they were sitting around talking about how to make more money,they ALSO talked about how to support the community beyond WotC customers and how to build good will in light of a big messy mistake.

I still am not sure what you consider the good faith part here though, can you spell that out?

As I wrote earlier, they get a commission, they control the platform, and they control which products are being allowed on it, so what exactly is the good faith here? If anyone has faith here, it is the 3pps

 

[Alzrius]

I never said WotC needed a case, I was asking for an example for what you think anyone would use from the 2024 SRD in OGL products, and you still have not provided one

I didn't say you said that WotC needed a case. I said that you said you said that, because you did. And I have provided one, which you responded to by incorrectly stating that it didn't qualify as a "case," which speaks only to your ill-defined use of the term.

So stop twisting things around that I then need to correct, it is getting old at this point

You're the one repeating points that you've already admitted I was right to correct you on, so take your own advice here.

or maybe we get there because you keep on making the same false claims about what I wrote, apart from it being pretty clear that we won’t agree on the actual subject

You yourself have admitted that the claims I've made are true, to the point of debating precisely how many times you've admitted that I'm right. If you don't like false claims, stop making them.

 

[mamba]

I didn't say you said that WotC needed a case. I said that you said you said that

too many ‘you said’ here…

you conflated two issues in your previous response, I said WotC could release it under the OGL if they wanted to, and I asked you for an example of why you think it is important to have it under the OGL

You turned that into ‘Repeatedly saying that a "case" needed to be made for releasing the 5.2 SRD under the OGL, only to then agree that no such case was necessary’ which very much does sound like I asked you for a case for WotC to release it, which I never asked for. I also never ‘then agreed’ that none is needed, I agreed that WotC could simply release it under CC and OGL from the very start.

And I have provided one, which you responded to by incorrectly stating that it didn't qualify as a "case," which speaks only to your ill-defined use of the term.

which is why I clarified that I wanted an example about 5 posts back, and the only thing you offered is ‘because potentially someone somewhere wants to use something from it in a product that already takes OGL stuff and then does not have to figure out how to mix two licenses’, which is about as weak as it gets, as far as cases go (and still is not an example)

You keep misrepresenting stuff and I grow tired of having to correct it. Add to this that the discussion will go nowhere even if we did not have to continue going in circles in each reply, and I am not really interested in continuing this. So I bow out and hope I will not get dragged in again

 

[mamba]

This has been fun and y'all are free to continue arguing about stuff, but I broke on the side of "buy it."

so what convinced you?