I saw the MATRIX 2 thread SPOILERS ABOUND

[Mathew_Freeman]

Consider, then, that it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the A.I.s are actually rewriting some of Neo's (and others) actual physical code. After all, they're keeping these people in tanks, and yet they're not suffering from atrophied muscles, bed sores, etc....obviously, they must have some ability in this regard.

That's an interesting idea, but I feel I must point out that when Neo is rescued from the Matrix they have to re-build all of his atrophied muscles, and when Neo asks why his eyes hurt Morpheus replies: "You've never used them before."

 

[Eccles]

Further food-related over-analysis

Does anyone else now think it interesting that Cypher's decision to betray Morpheus and the rest of Zion was made over a meal?

Apart from the cookie thing, I can't think of a single other moment of people eating in the first film.

Edit: (Within the Matrix, anyway - the white slop in the Neb. is probably different).

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Just as a side note... I don't remember actually seeing Neo eat the candy he is given by the Oracle in Reloaded... did I miss it? or does he get distracted from eating it by Agent Smith...

Jaldaen

I saw the movie for a second time this weekend.

1. Neo did NOT eat the candy.

2. The candy the Oracle ate REALLY looked like the red pill Morpheous offered to Neo in the first movie.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

P.S. Did it fry anyone else that Agent Smith, when talked to Neo, seemed to say, "Mr. Anderson" at the end of almost every sentence, if not all?

I liked that part. I consider it part of Smith's charm as a character. No matter what Neo thinks he may have become he is still just Mr. Anderson to Smith.

 

[WizarDru]

That's an interesting idea, but I feel I must point out that when Neo is rescued from the Matrix they have to re-build all of his atrophied muscles, and when Neo asks why his eyes hurt Morpheus replies: "You've never used them before."

Hmmm. You're right, I completely forgot about that part. I'm going to pick up the movie on DVD shortly to rewatch it (why haven't I gotten it before now? Everyone else I know got it as the first DVD for their players...so I never bothered).

Still, I think it's a little hard to accept that the muscles build up to tolerance so quickly, unless they have been treated in some fashion. If he's spent his entire life in an egg, he should be unable to stand, let alone walk, right?

I'm certainly interested in getting the Animatrix when it comes out, tomorrow. Maybe I'll go see my second viewing of 'Reloaded' at the IMAX. Yikes.

 

[Datt]

Hmmm. You're right, I completely forgot about that part. I'm going to pick up the movie on DVD shortly to rewatch it (why haven't I gotten it before now? Everyone else I know got it as the first DVD for their players...so I never bothered).

Still, I think it's a little hard to accept that the muscles build up to tolerance so quickly, unless they have been treated in some fashion. If he's spent his entire life in an egg, he should be unable to stand, let alone walk, right?

I'm certainly interested in getting the Animatrix when it comes out, tomorrow. Maybe I'll go see my second viewing of 'Reloaded' at the IMAX. Yikes.

Well remember Morpheus and Dozer have those electrode needles working on Neos muscles. They are probably sending short electric shocks to his muscles to get the to spasm for a second and use them. We don't know exactly how long they worked on him, it could have been days if not weeks. I am sure that they had done that so often that they knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[Mathew_Freeman]

Still, I think it's a little hard to accept that the muscles build up to tolerance so quickly, unless they have been treated in some fashion. If he's spent his entire life in an egg, he should be unable to stand, let alone walk, right?

If I remember, he can barely walk at first. They lay him down on a table and stick thousands of needles in him, and with the technique they use to film that section normally denotes quite a lot of time passing, so I guess it took them a while to rebuild him.

 

[Salthanas]

I go along with the recursive matrix idea. Events in the "real world" seem to manufatured (such as Trinity being forced into entering the Matrix) for my liking. The degree of omnipitence that the Oracle has showed would, to my mind at least, be impossible if the "real world" was not another level of the Matrix.

A few possible theories as to whats going on

1) Neo is simply involved in some virtual reality game. Mervionan (not sure about the spelling) did say the whole thing was a game after all. Every time Neo makes a wrong choice he wakes up back by his computer with a message saying wake up Neo and the whole thing begins again.

2) Neo does not actually exist. Due to everyone being plugged into the matrix he is an anomaly created by some sort of collective human conscience. He can't actually exist without the Matrix. When he makes the decision at the end of the movie it actually represents the collectives decision about the future of the matrix which is engineered to essentially make the collective choose the matrix.

3) Everyone is a program and the whole thing is a simulation being run for some obscure purpose.

anyways enough mad ramblings from me

yours Salthanas

 

[Villano]

I wonder if Neo is going to end up taking the place of the Archietect.

Of course, we could all be reading too much into this. Don't forget, this is a Hollywood action film. They aren't the most thought provoking things in the world. I have the feeling that it will end with Neo discovering that he can affect the outside world, the Matrix is destroyed, and the fact that the Earth is in ruins either won't be addressed at all (the ending will be everyone waking up), will be glossed over (we'll see the world 200 yrs in the future and everyone will be celebrating the legacy of Neo), or will handled in some bizarre, Hollywood fashion (Neo can return the Earth to its original state in a sort of quasi-magical way).

Personally, I'm waiting for Tron to show up and kick Neo's ass. I mean, he only needed one movie to overthrow his evil, computer master.

 

[Umbran]

and the fact that the Earth is in ruins either won't be addressed at all (the ending will be everyone waking up), will be glossed over (we'll see the world 200 yrs in the future and everyone will be celebrating the legacy of Neo), or will handled in some bizarre, Hollywood fashion (Neo can return the Earth to its original state in a sort of quasi-magical way).

Try this for a Hollywood ending - Neo takes some clues from the Oracle about how machines need people, and from the Councilman about how people need machines. Rather than fully destroy the former "bad guys", Neo brokers a truce, and the people and machines cooperate to restore the planet...