D&D General If faith in yourself is enough to get power, do we need Wizards and Warlocks etc?

[MGibster]

While I prefer the deity divine connection, other options are a legitimate choice. I could see a Zen like character who gets their powers via their greater understanding of the universe. Or perhaps something like a Pythagorean who gets divine powers and the ability to do geometry?

 

[Umbran]

To have the class narrative make sense in the class-based game.

But you are putting yourself as the arbiter of what "makes sense". So it is still to satisfy you.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Which we all know, but as we also all know, WotC sets the tone for the overwhelming segment of the playerbase.

And that's very, very unfortunate, and bad for the community IMO. Hence why I champion other sources of D&D at every opportunity.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

This isn't a "+" thread. We're not obligated to agree with you.

Of course, one can disagree with anyone, but the OP is posing a world building question. One can like or dislike the premise but disliking and arguing against it is like arguing with the wind or the tide. It is something one can do but not a productive use of one's time.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But you are putting yourself as the arbiter of what "makes sense". So it is still to satisfy you.

Actually, I am putting the creators of old school D&D as the arbiters of what makes sense in D&D. Other explanations are definitely possible, but IMO they should be used for other classes or in other games.

 

[UngainlyTitan]

Actually, I am putting the creators of old school D&D as the arbiters of what makes sense in D&D. Other explanations are definitely possible, but IMO they should be used for other classes or in other games.

But why place that boundary on others?

 

[Crimson Longinus]

I don’t necessarily mind that the game has flexibility to implement different metaphysical explanations for the class power sources, but I would prefer if any one setting would remain consistent with how it applies them.

 

[EzekielRaiden]

I'm glad you found a way to tell good stories with the investiture narrative, but I've always hated it, and seen it as nothing more than the designers providing player entitlement to those who want the kewl powers but no responsibility.

Conversely:

DMs getting to pull the plug whenever they want are wanting to have total control with no responsibility. Gods that can toy with mortals at their leisure.

Two can play at this game.

 

[Scribe]

And that's very, very unfortunate, and bad for the community IMO. Hence why I champion other sources of D&D at every opportunity.

Sure, but 99.9% of the playerbase has never even heard a whisper of this site, or Level Up.

Holding back the ocean my man.

 

[Micah Sweet]

But why place that boundary on others?

Because there are many, many other games for people who want different boundaries. D&D does not need to appeal to everyone. No game does.