Baron Opal II
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I think that at the absolute worst, it will become a subclass of wizard where you have sorcery points instead of a spellbook, and pick bloodline abilities instead of guild abilities.
Yeowch. Copying Pathfinder's stuff would be a huge downgrade in almost all ways. Especially thematically.I think that at the absolute worst, it will become a subclass of wizard where you have sorcery points instead of a spellbook, and pick bloodline abilities instead of guild abilities.
If I had to fold two of the arcane casters into each other I'd fold wizard into sorcerer. Where a wizard was a specialist sorcerer whose two special things were (a) using Int and (b) preparing from books rather than being a spells known class.Never understood the logic of folding sorcerer into wizard. Though I'm 100% convinced they should be their own class, if I had to merge it with one, it would be the warlock.
Anything which can be a patron can be a bloodline and vice versa. The two have a lot in common with 'weird' spellcasting and identical subclass themes.
Someone on reddit today already suggested that they could share subclasses in 5.5e.
Thank you for making my fears worse.If subclasses are now all on the same track, they could make the Sorcerer a series of class-less subclasses. You discover your bloodline and add it to whatever else you were doing already.
I've expressed my thoughts on the matter. D&D 5E - On whether sorcerers and wizards should be merged or not, (they shouldn't)Never understood the logic of folding sorcerer into wizard. Though I'm 100% convinced they should be their own class, if I had to merge it with one, it would be the warlock.
Anything which can be a patron can be a bloodline and vice versa. The two have a lot in common with 'weird' spellcasting and identical subclass themes.
Someone on reddit today already suggested that they could share subclasses in 5.5e.
I wouldn't worry too much about that.Subclass levels seem to be standardized across the board (good), but so far, they don't start at first level.
Personally that doesn't worry me.And the most worrying, from reading the spellcasting description, it seems that all classes will prepare spells?
I mean, it's genuinely not reasonable to assume that all classes ARE on the same track, that's the thing. There's no good evidence to support it, and WotC were saying they preferred level 1 literally last month. Compatibility seems like the best explanation for stuff being L3 here.Thank you for making my fears worse.
Sorry, that wasn’t my intention.Thank you for making my fears worse.
And the most worrying, from reading the spellcasting description, it seems that all classes will prepare spells?
That's not a bright side. That is a cop out. Part of the essence, the feel of the sorcerer is the stability of character identity given by a fixed set of spells known. Sorcerer magic is not an active choice, and overall not an ongoing choice. Having to prepare spells is an active ongoing choice, and opting out of it is a betrayal of the party because then you are not contributing fully to the party and the party suffers because of it. The possibility of full access to wizard spells is tempting, but I also expect them to suddenly curtail it for no reason. Like dragon sorcerers only get evocation, divine souls only get abjuration and so on. The more mechanics sorcerers and wizards have in common, the more the sorcerer will suffer.On the bright side, the only 5e shortcoming of being a Sorcerer used to be having the smallest number of known spells of every full caster, and now they will know A LOT. Except that, if they go with the currently rumored "four schools of magic only", the Wizard will of course know twice as many.
Yes I was being ironic. As I just wrote elsewhere, I actually always wished that even Clerics and Druid had a limited/chosen known spell list. In addition to strengthening character identity, it also makes strategic thinking more important when levelling up.That's not a bright side. That is a cop out. Part of the essence, the feel of the sorcerer is the stability of character identity given by a fixed set of spells known.
I don't think this is as big of an issue as you think. Yes the 2014 bard class doesn't say it is limited to 4 schools, but the bard list of spells you pick from consists primarily of those 4 schools. There some exceptions, but the vast majority are enchantment, divination, transmutation and illusion. And healing spells are giving to you via Songs of Restoration.The newest UA doesn't feature sorcerers, however, it is full of content that makes me worried about the sorcerer. I started more confident, after all the arcane class spell list had all of these spells that used to be missing, so progress, right? Going from Bard, it seems that sorcerers will have to care about schools instead of a theme, more like one step forward, two steps backward.
This is a power increase for sorcerers if they get the same ability as bards to just prepare any spell of any level that they can cast each day. They will no longer be limited to just a few spells to pick from.And the most worrying, from reading the spellcasting description, it seems that all classes will prepare spells?
That would certainly line up well with my desire to have Sorcerers be CON-based instead of CHA-based. After all, their magic comes innately from within, and being CON-based would improve their HP to survive in melee combat (especially if they only get Light Armor in this fictional redesign)Regarding a non-Wizard identity of the Sorcerer.
What if the Sorcerer serves as the missing Swordmage: a fullcaster with melee-range combat spells, who focuses on melee combat and is a Warrior?
If that happened, how would we get the concepts that only sorcerer currently can?Regarding a non-Wizard identity of the Sorcerer.
What if the Sorcerer serves as the missing Swordmage: a fullcaster with melee-range combat spells, who focuses on melee combat and is a Warrior?