Immortals Index (Pantheons, Mythology Discussion)

paradox42 said:
Bestiary 2 before Chronicle for me. I can live without a discussion of full-on Immortal campaigns for a short while (okay, we know this is U_K we're talking about here, but still...) while using just the adventure ideas from the first two volumes of monsters when I need adventure ideas in this realm. For me it's a question of teasers, I suppose- he's been teasing us for months with mentions of the beasts that are coming in the second volume, like the Bi-Sects and other Entities, the Lipika, and several others, and I want payoff. :) There's also the fact that by the time Bestiary Volume 2 comes, we'll have the full rules for Ascension and Grimoire ready to use, so between the expected adventure ideas coming with the new monsters and everything in those two rulebooks, we should have plenty of adventure ideas to spark the imagination.

I expect it will take some time to transition a game from a simple Epic-level mortal one to a full-on Immortal game anyway, so in my case there's time for waiting.

Naturally, that's just me, others may agree or disagree as they choose.
Seconded.
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hiya Shadowninja mate! :)

ShadowNinja said:
Behemoth, Bahamut, Tiamat, Ladon, Typhon, Cerberus, Nemean Lion...Ohoo so many good ideas. ;)
Well I was thinking, that for the Greco-Roman Pantheon you would have:

Kronos - Pantheon Destroyer...only Kronos would be an Elder One, with the other titans being mere Greater Gods.
Typhon - Cosmic Afterbirth
Echidna - God-Slayer...her offspring are sort of mini-god-slayers
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hey there Omeganian! :)

...and welcome to the boards!

Sorry for taking a day or two to reply, been a tad busy. ;)

Omeganian said:
And where does Sun Wukong fit here?
Well, hes a very tricky customer to pin down, but if I had to stick my neck out at this point I would say he was a powerful Intermediate God.
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Howdy Pssthpok matey! :)

Pssthpok said:
What do you mean by pantheon destroyer, cosmic afterbirth (really lost on this one), and god-slayer?
Every action creates an equal and opposite reaction.

When a Pantheon is created (brought together, or otherwise instigated) cosmic balance creates an opposing force with an alignment opposite to the Pantheons supreme deity.

This manifests as a number of beings.

Around which the Pantheons ultimate destiny rests.

These manifest as Cosmic Child (usually an Elder One), Cosmic Umbilical (usually a Dragon) and Cosmic Afterbirth (something monstrous).

...and yes I got the Cosmic Afterbirth mixed up last time. :eek:

Such themes are present in most mythologies - I just gave them a bit of an underlying cosmic sprinkle. ;)

It may be possible of course to have cosmic twins or triplets. :)

Also it might be interesting to create something different for Councils (Political God Groups), Dynasties (Racial God Groups) and Hierarchies (Moral God Groups) as well as just Pantheons (Social God Groups).
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hey Shadowninja matey! :)

ShadowNinja said:
So where's your directions with those three categories using the different mythologies?
Well I said it might be interesting to create something different for them, I didn't say I had created anything...at least not yet I haven't. :p

The Social nemesis is a Comic Birth.

Perhaps the Ethical Hegemony could spawn a Cosmic Plane, Sentient Demiplane or somesuch.

A Political Council might give rise to Dictatorship.

A Racial Dynasty could create a whole new race of beings.

If anyone has any ideas...
 
So, for example, an group combining Hierarchy and Pantheon (Like group of related LG deities that maintain some world's wellbeing.) should create an CE singular opposition, aka Demon Prince of Destruction ?

There is group of them, preserving and maitaining the planet. Collectively they are stronger by a risky margin from the DPoD. They cooperate etc and have group of powerful servants (like Solars).
DPoD is alone, stronger than any single deity by margin significiant for the deities to be unable to just gang on him and beat the snot out of him, surrounded by hordes of largery insignificant minions (demons below CR 10).

Did I read Your intention right, U_K ? :uhoh:
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hi Rikandur dude! :)

Rikandur Azebol said:
So, for example, an group combining Hierarchy and Pantheon (Like group of related LG deities that maintain some world's wellbeing.)
Interesting idea, I never thought to combine such parameters.

Rikandur Azebol said:
should create an CE singular opposition, aka Demon Prince of Destruction ?
Well technically they should create a trio of Chaotic Evil adversaries,

Pantheon Destroyer (Elder One)
Cosmic Umbilical (Dragon-like Greater God, new epic dragon type)
God-Slayer (Intermediate Deity)

Rikandur Azebol said:
There is group of them, preserving and maitaining the planet. Collectively they are stronger by a risky margin from the DPoD. They cooperate etc and have group of powerful servants (like Solars).

DPoD is alone, stronger than any single deity by margin significiant for the deities to be unable to just gang on him and beat the snot out of him, surrounded by hordes of largery insignificant minions (demons below CR 10).

Did I read Your intention right, U_K ? :uhoh:
Partly.
 

dante58701

Visitor
How bout Pan? By your conversion notes...he and a few greek gods from 1st edition should be greater gods. Or how bout Graz'zt?
 
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Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hi dante dude! :)

dante58701 said:
How bout Pan? By your conversion notes...he and a few greek gods from 1st edition should be greater gods.
I'd just keep Pan a Lesser God. I know technically 320 HP converts to Greater, but really the only Greaters should be Pantheon Heads.

So a lot of those noted as being Greater Gods in 1st Ed. D&Dg are only Intermediate, Dionysus, Athena, Ares etc.

Pan is not one of the major Greek Gods in D&Dg and I don't see any reason for that to change.

dante58701 said:
Or how bout Graz'zt?
I think Graz'zt is Wizards of the Coast property, so if I were going to stat him it would be website only.

Although I definately think Pan has inspired the 3rd Ed. versions of Graz'zt. So I could probably get around it in a roundabout manner. ;)
 

Upper_Krust

Adventurer
Hi Rikandur mate! :)

Rikandur Azebol said:
Wich power level would You see Graz'zt at, U_K ? Lesser god ... or greater ? :)
At the moment Inter.

I used to think Lesser, but going over the Pantheons in detail it just makes far more sense to have the Demon Monarchs as Intermediate Gods.

I'd probably have:

Intermediate

Queen of Chaos 78 HD (But not a resident of the Abyss), was 117 HD when she ruled the Abyss
Demogorgon 75 HD
Fraz-Urb'luu 72 HD
Graz'zt 69 HD
Lolth 66 HD
Zuggtmoy 63 HD
Orcus 60 HD (weakened after his 'death')

Lesser

Pazuzu 58 HD
Obox-ob 56 HD
Dagon 55 HD
Malcanthet 54 HD
Baphomet 53 HD
Miska The Wolf Spider 52 HD (Not a resident of the Abyss) was 78 HD when the Queen of Chaos ruled the Abyss
Pale Night 52 HD
Yeenoghu 50 HD

Kostchtchie 48 HD or maybe 36 HD?
Juiblex 44 HD or maybe 33 HD?
 

dante58701

Visitor
I do hope you make them.

I have a question regarding Hastur (The King in Yellow)...what portfolios would he have?

Would he be Entropy?
 
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