Incantatrix help/opinions

[Victor Ograygor]

Yes you cant overgo u´r max spell level. but is it then still a "powerhouse nightmare" ?

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Arcane Thesis. is -1 per metamagic feat on one spell
Improved Metamagic is -1 per metamagic feat on all spell´s

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At 15 level: 5 level wiz and 10 level Incantatar - 15 caster with / max spell level is 8
u can prepe´r quicken fire ball´s as a 5 level spell if it is you´r thesis spell.

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Snatch spell at 8 level ? outsiders have meany spelleffect on them ...

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plz tell me do i have to tell dm where the channeled Pyroburst (Player´s handbook 2 page 106 )are going to land before ore after i cast the spel.

 

[Thanee]

I actually don't really know what you mean with that last question...

When you cast a spell, there isn't usually anything happening between the beginning and the ending of the spellcasting process, so that point won't come up often.

For spells with long durations (1 round+), I generally assume, that the specifics are only given when the spellcasting is finished (i.e. for summoning spells, where the creatures will appear).

But you better check back with your DM about questions like this.

Bye
Thanee

 

[KarinsDad]

Yes you cant overgo u´r max spell level. but is it then still a "powerhouse nightmare" ?

Actually, you are correct on this. I forgot about the errata on Improved Metamagic.

Course, that is why Cooperative Metamagic should have been errataed in the exact same way.


However, it is still potent.

18th level Sorcerer with 30 Cha could normally do a max of 4 9th level metamagic spells (i.e. the actually spells are 8th level or lower, but they are metamagicked into the equivalent of a 9th level spell). He has no 9th level slots left over though.

8th level Sorcerer / 10th level Incantratrix with 30 Cha could theoretically do 73 9th level metamagic spells. The difference is that if he does say 40 of these types of spells, he could still have all of his 9th level spell slots still available for the day. Improved Metamagic is a huge ability.

The layer that Arcane Thesis adds is that one type of spell could allow the Sorcerer to do this and have even more higher level slots still available. Plus, the text on Arcane Thesis does not have the same limitation that Improved Metamagic does. So theoretically, you could cast a 10th level equivalent spell with Arcane Thesis Improved Metamagic. For example:

Without Improved Metamagic, the Arcane Thesis Empowered Maximized Cone of Cold would be a 9th level spell. With Improved Metamagic, this would be a 7th level spell.

However, you are correct. It is the Improved Metamagic that brings most of the umph to the table. Arcane Thesis just makes a very potent ability even more potent.

 

[Victor Ograygor]

I want to know plz tell me u´r opinion ? is it too insane that combo
Improved Metamagic and Arcane Thesis. woud u alow it as DM ? my DM tell´s me to ask u ?

lol plz allow it lol

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Cooperative Metamagic isent in the erata becaus the DC is high (see the dc at top)

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The castig time on channeled Pyroburst (complete arcane ) are on swift to 2 rounds, if i chose the 2 rounds casting time do i have to designate blast point at the start of casting ore at the end of casting?

 

[KarinsDad]

I want to know plz tell me u´r opinion ? is it too insane that combo
Improved Metamagic and Arcane Thesis. woud u alow it as DM ? my DM tell´s me to ask u ?

I think your DM should make his own decision. I may or may not allow it in a game. I have allowed questionable combinations in the past which have come back and bit me (my most recent was allowing Precocious Apprentice for a Cerebremancer and the PC is very capable).

Personally, I think Improved Metamagic on its own is fairly insane, so anything that makes it better is also insane.

Cooperative Metamagic isent in the erata becaus the DC is high (see the dc at top)

As seen in this thread, the high DC will not stop a determined group of players.

Just taking max ranks of Spell Craft, Int 30 (fairly common at 20th level), 5 ranks of Knowledge Arcana, and the Aid Another from your Familiar results in a 10th level Wizard / 10th level Incantatrix with +37.

This is with no other boosts. So, such a non-boosted PC could do 10th level Cooperative Metamagic spells at DC 48 50% of the time.


Throw in two spells, Master's Touch and Greater Heroism, and he is at 90%. There are several ways to get to a 100% chance. The DC is tough, but determined players can get to it.

 

[Andras]

The real power comes in your ability to apply metamagic feats to wands, specifically quicken.

I have multiple wands, I start by using a wand of shield and I quicken it(uses 5 charges) defends me and still allows me to attack. Get some low cost offensive wands (such as wand of MM level 5, 3750 gold half if you craft) then you can cast your spell and then burn 5 charges to fire of 3 missles. There are other ways to go but this is the basics.

Quicken is one MM feat I don't believe you can use on a spell trigger item. It's a Std Action to activate the wand/staff. I point out that wands of Grave Strike, for instance, a swift action normally, still require a std action to activate. Changing the casting time of the Spell to Swift via Quicken Spell doesn't shorten the activation time of the wand/staff.

I'm planning a Dragonblood Sorceror Incantratrix for an upcoming Epic game, and will not be using Quicken with my Staves (yay for Accelerate MetaMagic).

 

[Mistwell]

I find the incantatrix PRC funny. Its supposedly a PRC focusing on metamagic, and the level 8 ability certaintly is......but all the way up till then its more like a class focusing on banishing outsiders or attacking ethereal targets, which makes no sense at all. Halruaan elder is better at metamagic mastery, funningly enough, but it requires co-operative spell(sub-optimal feat for most adventuring groups) and has circle magic mechanics(how often does a adventuring party get to use circle magic?).

Put down your old and crusty 3.0 book.

Pick up your relatively new and shiney 3.5 book. The one that says Player's Guide to Faerun.

Now open it to the Prestige Class section and read the Incantatrix.

I think you will no longer find it's anything at all like you describe.

 

[Victor Ograygor]

HMMM.... can i as a 15 Caster - 5 level wiz and 10 level Incantatar - with a max spell level
of 8. Preper a 4 level spell quicken. and then use Sudden Max spell

4 level spell + 4 form quicken = 8 level spell. my max spell level. but i preper it as a 6 level spell because i have Arcane Thesis and Improved Metamagic.

Arcane Thesis. is -1 per metamagic feat on one spell
Improved Metamagic is -1 per metamagic feat on all spell´s

( and yes its my arcane theisis spell this 4 level spell )

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The incantatrix / Incantatar are not a mage that are focusing on banishing outsiders or attacking ethereal targets, he is a specialist inn meta magic feat´s.

See Player's Guide to Faerûn 3,5 page 61

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The castig time on channeled Pyroburst (Player´s handbook 2 page 106 ) are on swift to 2 rounds, if i chose the 2 rounds casting time do i have to designate blast point at the start of casting ore at the end of casting?

 

[Venator]

Its got to be at the end of casting, just like a summon spell.

You are channeling the Pyroburst. When you release it, it releases...

 

[Victor Ograygor]

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What about spell storing items. ?

Spells
with Arcane thesis and Cooperative Metamagic

I have this thread on 2 borrds.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=696306