Mogar, meet Grod. Fight!!I loved parts of it. We did not use that chargen. But at times enjoyed underdark characters.
most memorable of all though was my Barbarian, Mogar the Fat. Flaming red hair and beard and fat!
statistically speaking he was great too. 18/13 strength, high con. But his hit points?
7 consecutive 12s rolled in front of the party/DM!
he could never hit but the party called him “the tree” because of his fortitude. Finally at his last level I rolled ‘4’ for hit points.
the last time I played him he and his villainous halfling pals had pissed off a treant so they rode on his back while he ran through the woods!
silly and fun
It was one of my those PCs that is talked about with a chuckle more than 2 decades later!Mogar, meet Grod. Fight!!
You are right that sexist might not be the best description.BTW, I pulled up the comeliness rules. They're heterosexist, not sexist--heterosexuality is assumed, but the sexes are treated equally by high-comeliness fascination effects, and all references are to "he or she".
Blibdoolpoolp drider variants?heh. I can remember Roger Moore, in one of his Dragon editorials, telling us of a monster submission that tried to make use of the Comeliness rules... it was essentially a 'woman/lobster centaur', which had the nude torso of a woman with the bottom half of a lobster and big lobster claws instead of arms. Yet because the woman part was unearthly beautiful, the creator assumed that male PCs would fall under the 'fascination' rules of Comeliness...
I love the idea of the barbarian, and some of its implementation (raise a horde, secondary and tertiary abilities are great!), but "Oh, I hate magic-users"? Not good at all.
I have one of those in my currently-on-covid-break party; and yes, it's balls-nuts crazy the damage she can put out in a round...never mind she's high enough level to get four shots per round instead of three...Weapon specialization: I had forgotten that this originated in 1E via UA. I thought this didn't come about until 2E which I never played at the table and only experienced via cRPG's like Baldur's Gate. Didn't weapon specialization result in a weird situation where people started specializing in darts because you could throw three of them per round and with the specialization bonus to damage plus strength bonus to damage you could end up doing obscene amounts of damage by throwing darts?
I always saw it as a second place, along with Charisma, to dump a bad roll into.Comeliness: What was the point of that stat, seriously?
Thing is, parts of it were truly inspired and worth adding in to the game. The headache was successfully separating the wheat from the chaff.I am even more convinced, after being reacquainted with these rules, that UA was a really terrible addition to 1E D&D.
I hate Comeliness
Yeah, I agree 100%. It was definitely a dumb set of rules.You are right that sexist might not be the best description.
I think it is the specific descriptions of how people specifically react to specific levels of attractiveness that is off putting.
The barbarians hating wizards aspect may have been dumb (on an even higher level than paladin companion alignment restrictions), but I will say that there’s nothing dumb about a wizard being stronger than he is intelligent. Rather, that’s awesome! Because it’s FUN! The stat generation rules may have been more than a bit over the top, but rolling each stat and sticking with them can get you characters that are really different compared to building an optimized array.*Which was then funny, because that was what allowed the magic user to work with the new anti-magic barbarian. My human M-U had an 18 strength, and a 17 intelligence. That's how the dice came out. Beating the barbarian in arm-wrestling, and being able to quite handily bash in some goblin skulls at 1st level allowed the barbarian to say, "This guy just doesn't fit the mold of 'wizard', so clearly he isn't." I just then avoided casting spells in his line of sight until he reached a level where he didn't have to murder me for it.
It was dumb, but as teenagers we just rolled with it, because we didn't really know better.