(IR) The 1st IC-thread of the 1st Turn of the 5th IR

Venus said:
"I suggest challenging the Warlords one by one, giving them a chance to join us, or be destroyed. Our combined armies will pose an impressive argument for any Warlord, and with every Warlord converted we will become stronger as we weaken our enemy. Also, this way our troops will be less likely to be defeated in a straight battle as we should be able to show greater strenght than any of our opponents alone. Also, being victorious will boost the morale of our troops, as well as the faith in our rulership, and at the same time destroying the same of the enemy."

"This is another very valid tactic. Our forces are all concentrated here at the moment, but I doubt the forces of the warlords are all packed in one place. I doubt it very much. Should they begin moving most of their forces to counterattack, we could resort to several quick strikes to their now near-abandoned territories, causing some amount of havoc. We have the upper hand in mobile firepower, so we might as well use it.

We could also just attack all their leaders at once. If they're all in one place, they have basically already lost, as we probably outnumber them in Elite forces. If they're residing in their own territories, we probably have enough forces to attack at least two of them at the same time, and still bring enough Elite forces to both attacks to outnumber them if they get Elite reinforcements.

We could also just divide our Elite forces to attack all their leaders at once, and possibly basically end this whole war in one night. This would probably cause large amount of losses in our best forces though."
 
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Gallador sends a message that he won`t invite any more forces into Valion Gool than there are currently, it isn`t possible to accomodate so many troops( there are already over a million), and he doesn`t want a total anhilation of this world! This isn`t a holy crusade against Undeath but an attempt to take main power base from Vecna. Gallador`s children are already very unhappy that they are fighting against their kind alongside the likes of elves or Al`akbar`s divine servants that have no reason to wish them well, but no one dares question their Lord and God( Gallador proclaimed himself new God of Undeath and Rulership since Nerull and Hextor have left, and God-King of Gibenei, someone needs to take care of those quite important portfolios.)

OOC question: Everyone`s assumption seems to be that Vecna is going to wage war against entire Oerth. But he is a God with very high Wisdom score maybe without Gibenei he would see he can`t defeat everyone? Maybe he knows more about the situation and why the Gods left?
 

Melkor said:
Gallador sends a message that he won`t invite any more forces into Valion Gool than there are currently, it isn`t possible to accomodate so many troops( there are already over a million), and he doesn`t want a total anhilation of this world!

More like about 2 to 4 million, if 1 rPL is 2000-4000 people. :) The army has a certain fear factor...
 

Xael said:
"This is another very valid tactic. Our forces are all concentrated here at the moment, but I doubt the forces of the warlords are all packed in one place. I doubt it very much. Should they begin <a href="http://www.ntsearch.com/search.php?q=moving&v=56">moving</a> most of their forces to counterattack, we could resort to several quick strikes to their now near-abandoned territories, causing some amount of havoc. We have the upper hand in mobile firepower, so we might as well use it.

We could also just attack all their leaders at once. If they're all in one place, they have basically already lost, as we probably outnumber them in Elite forces. If they're residing in their own territories, we probably have enough forces to attack at least two of them at the same time, and still bring enough Elite forces to both attacks to outnumber them if they get Elite reinforcements.

We could also just divide our Elite forces to attack all their leaders at once, and possibly basically end this whole war in one night. This would probably cause large amount of losses in our best forces though."

Indeed, the words of Mordenkainen are wise, it would be preferable to attack the Warlords one by one, so after few examples the rest will surrender. We don`t want to turn this world into ashes, otherwise I wouldn`t be able to compensate for losses as I promised. But we can begin with my plan of luring them into attacking the stronghold of my main ally, Lord Yaghal, then we could strike at their own strongholds with our superior Elite and Epic forces.
 

Airwhale said:
OOC: I think you also lost some rPl in the last battle, I could be mistaken though.


I think I lost around 25% of my Elite troops according to Serpenteye, but I replaced them with my Vampirized Drow, I have around 2000 so propably more than 10 Elite Pl.

And he said that I lost 110 rPl but gained 60 from conversion, not sure if it means Salitisa`s legions or those gained when battling the other Warlords, if the first option is right, than I should lower my rPl by additional 60, I brought 250 rPl to Gibenei.
 

Hachiman bows to the others present in the room. Zennef is also present, but the big ursinal hangs back from the gathering of leaders.

“Thank you for your hospitality, Lord Gallador. I am anxious to see the defeat of the Whispered One’s loyalists,” he says.

Hachiman takes time inspecting the maps on display, learning the movements of both sides thus far.

“Interesting…” he mumbles, as he formulates ideas to better the campaign, “I like the idea of drawing the enemy into a trap. Whatever plan we go through with, our regular troops are going to be taking the brunt of the conflict, correct? On that point, I would like to lead the regular troops with the assistance of my epic companion. They would benefit greatly from my presence as I command a powerful array of divine magic in addition to my battlefield skills. Unless they can also commit a divine being to the field, our troops will have the upper hand. My elite troops though are at your disposal in hunting leaders.”
 

A reply to Ellistrae

EDENA OF NEITH, PUBLIC:
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Edena of Neith originally posted:


Eilistraee sends this message to Al'Akbar. She cannot come personally, since she is aiding and protecting the drow in the Hospice of Stars.

To Al'Akbar:

Eclavdra was, sadly, quite sane.
Eclavdra saw that Corellon, my Father, would not forgive her. He would commit her spirit to the Abyss.
Eclavdra knew that death was nigh to her anyways, so she choose to give her death meaning, and afterwards to protect herself from my Fathers' wrath.
Al'Akbar, Corellon Larethian, my Father, is not the nice being most make him out to be.

When my Mother betrayed my Father, and invoked the Godswar, she was defeated and captured.
My Father cursed her. My Father banished her to the Abyss. My Fathers' curse made her over into what she is.
It could well be argued that such punishment was just. It could be argued that Mothers' betrayal merited any punishment imaginable.
And yet ...
Had he simply imprisoned her, and rehabilitated her, or tried to, she would not have become Lolth.
Had he shown mercy, even where mercy was not merited, then Lolth would not have come into being.
The Corruption of the Dark Elves would not have occurred.
The Descent of the Drow would not have occurred.
And a great Evil would have been averted. Unimaginable horror over millennia would have been spared the Children of Corellon.

However my Father, in his righteous rage, knew only justice, and his justice was swift and sure. It struck down the traitor, and it made her over into Demon, and it saw her banished to the Abyss.
And the horror that could be, was, and is.

Sometimes mercy is more than an act of altruism. Sometimes mercy can be an act of pragmatism.
Yet my father does not see it that way. And so, as you know well, the elves in general do not see it that way either. And also, as you know, most of the elves are celebrating the death of Eclavdra.
Eclavdra could not hope for mercy from my Father, and most certainly not from Mother.
The behavior of my Parents has harmed the People, brought unmeasurable suffering and misery, horror and death, upon them upon a thousand worlds, brought millennia of war and sorrow and ruin upon them.

The drow turn away from my Mother and my Brother now. As well they should, and my Mother and Brother both will find the draught of abandonment miserable, and painful, and withering, and perhaps they will come to feel a little of what they inflicted upon their own.
However ...
I hope that the People will turn away from my Father and the Seldarine. For my Father cursed the People as surely as he cursed my Mother, and the People were innocent of Mothers' treason.
Father will never stray from his righteous rage, will never forget or forgive, and will never stop punishing my Mother for the great treason she committed. If the People follow Father, then they too will never forget or forgive, and the division of the People will never be ended, and the horror and suffering will continue for millennia to come.

So yes, I hope the People will begin a Withdrawal of their own, and turn their faces from the Seldarine. Then perhaps Father will step down from the pedestal of righteous justice, and find that he must listen to his heart once more.

However, that is only what may be, and not what is.
Eclavdra, had no salvation. Caught between Righteous Wrath from Father, and Red Vengeance from Mother, there was no Mercy to be found.
Did not Lady Shadow say as much, at the TEC Summit?
And did not Iuz the Old say as much, after her vote?
Thanks to the insistence of my Fathers' righteous rage, they were right.
Eclavdra knew this. She understood the truth well.

The time has come for the People - all the People - to choose their own course, and not be beholden to the dispute between my Family. Enough is enough.
Not even the Gods have the right to dictate endless suffering and misery to their mortal children in the name of a Family Feud.
Let the People say it so.
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Al'Akbar replies as he stands outside the drow embassy in Ekbir. Already, the high walls are being lowered to grant a clearer view for those inside and outside of the embassy. The demigod's face is sad as he communicates with Ellistrae.

“I will mourn Eclavdra’s passing with you. I knew she was walking on a knife’s edge, but I did not realize the true sharpness of that blade.”

“I have long thought that the dispute between the drow and the elves was much more virulent than that of the duergar and the dwarves. The former dispute is indeed a family tragedy that has played itself out between the followers of your parents. Yet I think the key distinction is that hate is not the opposite of love – rather apathy is the emotion of love. For if there was no memory of love, then the hate would not be so strong.”

“I have said that perhaps while we are here on Oerth and Greyspace that the gods may well be fighting a common enemy. Perhaps in such a struggle many enmities can be ended.”

“Perhaps the elves will find peace and bring it to your kindred. For now, we are left to our own resources and counsel. It may be that the People will chose a path of unity and understanding that will cause both your father and your mother pause and consider peace and reconciliation. Sadly, many of your kin and your people have been drawn into this war out of love for one or the other of your parents. They may not be able to stop themselves, having continued their quarrel for so long. Perhaps your other kindred, spurred by the example of the elves, can bring their weight to bear on your parents. Sometimes, when people fight they do not see the harm they do to themselves or others. In some family feuds, the children are the ones who can reconcile the parents.”

“In the pursuit of justice, I have learned that one must also not forget either mercy or the pursuit of righteousness. Too many have confused righteousness with self-righteousness, leading to much suffering. Sometimes, it is mercy that keeps us from falling so deep into our own anger that we lose sight of justice. Sometimes, it is compassion that keeps us from fighting a war without end.”

“When I walked Oerth as a mortal man, among the best advice I received from the gods was that the word never was too long for mortals. It is advice that I have taken to heart. Behold, in the wake of the Twin Cataclysms, some said that the Suel and the Baklunish peoples would never know peace. Yet there is peace and friendship among some Suel and Bakluni – such as those in the League of Athyr and Greater Nyrond. Even know, my forces are prepared to fight on the same side at the Scarlet Brotherhood against the Whispered One. So, Queen Ellistrae, do not abandon hope for either your kindred or your people.”

“I spoke to one of your people about hope and the possibility of redemption. In my conversation, I mentioned Zodal who hopes for the redemption all beings. Perhaps you shall achieve more in seeking the reconciliation of your people than you hope.”


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Edena of Neith originally posted:

Eclavdra was a pawn, caught between the competing TEC Powers, who would use her to advance their agenda, heedless of bloody consequences and heedless of dangers from without.
The manipulation of Eclavdra by the TEC Powers aided in her death.
Thus it is with the elves and the drow.
They are pawns, caught between the competing Gods of the Seldarine, in their petty and endless feuds ... devoid of mercy or reason, locked in righteousness and vengeance and anger and madness, the Seldarine and Lolth alike heedless of the bloody consequences and heedless of dangers without.
And the result has been the death of millions of elves and drow, and the withering of the gardens of our People.
The manipulation of Eclavdra by the TEC Powers aided in her death.
The manipulations of Mother and Father aided in the death of Eclavdra.
I have a million suffering beings in this Hospice, yet that is a small suffering compared to the greater suffering Mother and Father have insistently, endlessly, decreed.
Well, it ends now. It ends now, before Mother and Father destroy all the People with their Feud.
I give to People and drow alike a new boon!
I give to them the Shining Lady!
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“I hope that the time for the feud is indeed at a hand. Perhaps you can help reconcile the elves into one people. Many may still follow your parents or others of your kin. However, perhaps you can help spread forgiveness and understanding among those who only see division.”

“As for Eclavdra, I fear she was among the few who see the full scope of the threats before us. We still do not know why the gods erected a barrier around Greyspace. Yet, I am not surprised that nations follow their own agenda.”

“I would offer you a gift, if you so desire. If you so wish, I can tend to your people for a brief while, giving you time to mourn Eclavdra and the others who have passed from this life. I believe that I can honor Eclavdra’s memory equally well by either attending her funeral or aiding your people in the Hospice of Stars while you mourn. I offer this to honor Eclavdra and to honor your dedication to your people.”
 

Festy_Dog said:
Hachiman bows to the others present in the room. Zennef is also present, but the big ursinal hangs back from the gathering of leaders.

“Thank you for your hospitality, Lord Gallador. I am anxious to see the defeat of the Whispered One’s loyalists,” he says.

Hachiman takes time inspecting the maps on display, learning the movements of both sides thus far.

“Interesting…” he mumbles, as he formulates ideas to better the campaign, “I like the idea of drawing the enemy into a trap. Whatever plan we go through with, our regular troops are going to be taking the brunt of the conflict, correct? On that point, I would like to lead the regular troops with the assistance of my epic companion. They would benefit greatly from my presence as I command a powerful array of divine magic in addition to my battlefield skills. Unless they can also commit a divine being to the field, our troops will have the upper hand. My elite troops though are at your disposal in hunting leaders.”

The hero-god Azor-alq regards Hachiman.

"Possibly the forces of the Baklunish Empire might be best in assisting the regular troops. Our forces are particularly effective against the types of combatants we will face. Or, we could focus on eliminating enemy leaders."

"Setting a trap is a good idea. However, how skilled have the enemy leaders proven to be in the previous conflicts? It might be wise to have a secondary plan in case they fail to go for the trap."
 

The Reunification of the Elves

Eilistraee takes Al'Akbar up on his offer immediately, to give temporary assistance to her at the Hospice of Stars.

The good drow, with Eilistraee present, bury Eclavdra in solemn ceremony in the Vault of the Drow.
And the drow state that, even as Eclavdra has died, so has the conflict between elf and drow in their hearts. It is dead, regardless of what Seldarine or Dark Deities alike would say or command.
The drow renounce the name drow. They consider themselves elves from this point henceforth. If others wish to call them dark elves, or star elves, or even moon elves, it does not matter: they are ELVES. They were once elves, and they are now again ... elves.

Afterwards, the elves level the ruins Erelhi-Cinlu with their magic, and cremate those ruins in fire, leaving only stone and ashes. Into that fire goes all the regalia of Lolth, Ghaunadaur, Vhaeraun, Kiransalee, and all the other Dark Deities.
The elves sweep the Vault of the Drow clean of any and all traces of their former civilization.
If they ever come back here, state the elves, it will be to begin anew.

Then the elves (and Eilistraee) return to watch over their stricken kindred.
 


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