D&D 4E Is my friend's unwillingness to try 4e irrational?

[Raven Crowking]

Wow

What, exactly, has you so confused?

 

[Grimstaff]

letting someone else test drive her, report back, work out the problems, report back, and then make a decision based on what you've learned at no cost to yourself.

RC

Double Wow.

In my neck of the woods, they have some unkind terms for "girlfriends" who have been so thoroughly "test-driven".
But to each his own...

 

[Grimstaff]

What, exactly, has you so confused?

That's just an amazingly bizarre and complex analogy for a table game.

 

[Greg K]

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[Greg K]

Because playing D&D isn't just about playing D&D, its about hanging out with friends. .

Or you could just shrug, and chill with your friends on Saturday night like you always do

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But not everyone plays D&D in that context, and its reasonable for a group of friends to be put out when one guy proclaims an absolute objection to the game they want to play, and refuses to hang with them because of it. Its not that his dislike of 4e is automatically unreasonable. Its that his ultimatum to his own friends is unreasonable. If everyone but you wants to play 4e, it isn't worth busting up the crew.

Man, it must suck to define one's friendship soley upon gaming. A real friend would understand that a friend may not like all of the same things they do rather than call them unreasonable and make plans to get together on another day to spend time everyone enjoys.

There's no way my friends are getting me to go larping. They have a blast, but I don't. However, I still go with my friends to see movies, to see concerts, to grab dinner, to shoot pool or just kick it watching some tv, but I just don't larp with them and with some of them I do rpg.

 

[Grimstaff]

I can go with my friends to see movies, to see concerts, to grab dinner, to shoot pool or just kick it watching some tv, but I am not going larping with them on Saturday nights- they might be having a blast, but I do not enjoy larping. I'd rather do something else that I enjoy and hang out with them some other time when we can all enjoy ourselves.

I'm sorry, what were we talking about, again...?

 

[Raven Crowking]

That's just an amazingly bizarre and complex analogy for a table game.

Perhaps, but I was just responding to the analogy made by BradfordFerguson:

well, I dated this this girl for 4 years, and there is a better girl out there who is totally available to me, BUT I INVESTED THOSE 4 YEARS ALREADY!

And the "thorough test driving" was described as a difference between BradfordFerguson's hypothetical girlfriend of four years (although the RL example in your neck of the woods smacks of a serious double standard, btw ).

For the same reason that many people wait to see films until they've read the reviews, even if you intend to switch editions it is hardly unreasonable to wait until the game has been tested, and what needs fixing is identified and fixed, before switching, so long as you are having fun with your current edition already.

It is very easy to argue that it is early adoption, rather than non-adoption, which is irrational.

(And, yes, I adopted early and often on both 2e and 3e, so that finger points at me as well.)


RC

 

[Delta]

Let's presume that 4e will be MUCH better than 3.5, more fun to play, faster combat, etc...

Wow, that's a heck of a presumption.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

its reasonable for a group of friends to be put out when one guy proclaims an absolute objection to the game they want to play, and refuses to hang with them because of it. Its not that his dislike of 4e is automatically unreasonable. Its that his ultimatum to his own friends is unreasonable. If everyone but you wants to play 4e, it isn't worth busting up the crew.

Why is he the one being unreasonable and not they? Seems to me the door swings both ways.

 

[DonTadow]

Using the friend line of reasoning, what kind of friends are you guys to leave him behind?

In my group if a decision that big is not unanomous then it doesn't happen. Now, if you describe your game as, say, everyone is coming in upset, crying hating every minute of playing 3.5 then you have a leg to stand on. But it sounds like everyone has fun. You have prep work to do (dms) but right now you don't really know if its more or less prep work than 3.5 in 4e.

Now, you bring up switching and the group seems pretty mixed on it, with the two on the fence people just going along and the one adamant dude is not going for it. That's half your group leery about this. If you guys considered him a friend, you'd just table 4e and bring it back up at a better time. Instead it seems like you're telling your friend that he either switches are leaves the group.

What we are witnessing is 4e operating as a home/game wrecker. You guys seemed like a happy bunch of friends until this came around. Sure 4e just wanted to be friends but one of your players is convinced it will ruin the fun of the game and as a friend whom you've known for a long time, you should just leave the whole thing alone for a while.