D&D 5E Is the sleep spell d&d 5e too powerful

[darjr]

Well it is what I like about 5e. I don’t think a saving throw breaks the game. As long as your having fun, though I might consider doing away with the hp roll

 

[Li Shenron]

Don't feed the trolls...

 

[Dausuul]

I hear you but for a spell level 1, it's quite powerful. I decided to add a saving throw and find that it balances out. At least gives a fighting chance. There is no game which the rules are perfect, I just think sleep was overlooked...

It wasn't overlooked. It was never overpowered in the first place. For all the reasons that literally every other poster in this thread has pointed out. It's kind of impressive actually, usually you get at least one contrarian who takes the other side just for the sake of trolling people.

Have you even considered what happens when the spell is used for some purpose other than backstabbing your own party?

I mean, you do what you're gonna do in your own campaign, but I'm wondering why you posted the question to begin with if you weren't interested in the answer.

 

[Jasondd]

I will keep it as is but add a saving throw

 

[Jasondd]

It wasn't overlooked. It was never overpowered in the first place. For all the reasons that literally every other poster in this thread has pointed out. It's kind of impressive actually, usually you get at least one contrarian who takes the other side just for the sake of trolling people.

Have you even considered what happens when the spell is used for some purpose other than backstabbing your own party?

I mean, you do what you're gonna do in your own campaign, but I'm wondering why you posted the question to begin with if you weren't interested in the answer.

Unfortunately all aspects of the spell need to be looked at. We never know how it may be used

 

[Nebulous]

I hear you but for a spell level 1, it's quite powerful. I decided to add a saving throw and find that it balances out. At least gives a fighting chance. There is no game which the rules are perfect, I just think sleep was overlooked...

So let me make this clear - when your same wizard casts Sleep on a bunch of kobolds, they all get a save to resist? For what it is worth, maybe there should be a higher level Greater Sleep spell...

 

[Jasondd]

So let me make this clear - when your same wizard casts Sleep on a bunch of kobolds, they all get a save to resist?

Yes, I think they should. It could even be against the spell caster..?

 

[Mort]

I will keep it as is but add a saving throw

I'm curious to see how that works in play. My suspicion (assuming any casters pick the spells knowing the modification) is that it will be fine but overly weak. Interesting to find out.

 

[Jasondd]

Yes, I think they should. It could even be against the spell caster..?

The more powerful the spell caster the harder is to resist!

 

[Mort]

Unfortunately all aspects of the spell need to be looked at. We never know how it may be used

I make it very clear that PVP (and party wrecking characters in general) are just off limits in my game. It's worked pretty well.