jgbrowning, Rystil Arden, and Hypersmurf talk amongst themselves

[Rystil Arden]

I'm sorry, i have a personal definition of core that i misuse with others. Core to me is what's in the 3 books and more than that, what's in the SRD. I should say that instead of saying core.

joe b.

No, that's OK, I agree with your definition. Those are in the Player's Handbook.

 

[jgbrowning]

But it has a +1 or higher enhancement bonus. That's the definition of a magic weapon.

From the Special Abilities section of the DMG:
Damage reduction may be overcome by special materials, by magic weapons (any weapon with a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons imbued with an alignment.

Does Greater Magic Weapon not allow me to strike an incorporeal opponent?

Of course, that's the advantage of the spell. However, because the spell mimics the effects of a magical weapon doesn't mean the weapon is magical.

Incorporeal creatures can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, by magic weapons, or by spells, spell-like effects, or supernatural effects. They are immune to all nonmagical attack forms. They are not burned by normal fires, affected by natural cold, or harmed by mundane acids.

Since GMW is not a permanent spell, and therefore, as you contend, my GMW'd club is nonmagical, is it not a nonmagical attack form, to which incorporeal creatures are immune?

-Hyp.

The club is non-magical and normally wouldn't effect incorporeal undead. Thankfully the spell allows it to effect incorporeal undead, but it doesn't change the club into a magical club, just a club with greater magic weapon cast on it.

If it transmuted the club into a pillow, it wouldn't do the damage that a club does. Even if it was a GMWed pillow.

joe b.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'm sorry, i have a personal definition of core that i misuse with others. Core to me is what's in the 3 books and more than that, what's in the SRD. I should say that instead of saying core.

From the SRD:
Align Weapon
Bless Weapon
Disrupting Weapon
Light
Magic Weapon, Greater

Your definition of 'core' is just fine

-Hyp.

 

[jgbrowning]

No, that's OK, I agree with your definition. Those are in the Player's Handbook.

Lookie there! Didn't know Disrupting Weapon was core. Learn something new every day.

joe b.

 

[Hypersmurf]

If it transmuted the club into a pillow, it wouldn't do the damage that a club does. Even if it was a GMWed pillow.

But it's not really a pillow. Just a non-magical oak club with Polymorph Any Object cast on it.

So it's still a valid target for Shillelagh, right?

-Hyp.

 

[jgbrowning]

But it's not really a pillow. Just a non-magical oak club with Polymorph Any Object cast on it.

So it's still a valid target for Shillelagh, right?

-Hyp.

Not if the spell specifically states a type change, no.

joe b.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Not if the spell specifically states a type change, no.

And you don't consider "The weapon gains an enhancement bonus" (the definition of a magic weapon) to be a specifically-stated change from non-magical to magical?

-Hyp.

 

[jgbrowning]

And you don't consider "The weapon gains an enhancement bonus" (the definition of a magic weapon) to be a specifically-stated change from non-magical to magical?

-Hyp.

No, I don't. If it was a change to magical the spell wouldn't work.

joe b.

 

[jgbrowning]

But it's not really a pillow. Just a non-magical oak club with Polymorph Any Object cast on it.

So it's still a valid target for Shillelagh, right?

-Hyp.

I'm arguing that it is a pillow because the spell specifically states its a pillow, regardless of what it was before.

joe b.

 

[Rystil Arden]

No, I don't. If it was a change to magical the spell wouldn't work.

joe b.

Edit: Never mind, I didn't get the right spell